Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Blue in Munich said:
Absolutely ridiculous comment Phil; on that basis we'd have a General Election every week because the losers don't like the result of last week's General Election.
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I said people have the right to ask for another vote - telling people to just shut up isnt very democratic.

Whereas a campaign and posters based on the tagline "Bollocks to Brexit" is perfectly civilised and acceptable?
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Again i didnt say it was - hence why i said smear campaigning on both side
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Surely there is a lot of what you say also from people who voted Leave - you point to what SILH says but then you could easily point to another promiment poster on here on the Leave side who has at times been as aggressive and insulting towards people who voted remain - and surely you as a strong person arent that swayed by one person view and opinion ? Surely not ?

You mention lies about "project fear" - well can it be judge lies yet because we havent left ? was it not a forecast ? Same as the promises of the big red bus ?

I thought that being in a democracy people are able to voice their opinion - and if people want a second vote because they think they think the result is bad for the country surely its their democratic right to demand another one - just because one vote has happened doesnt mean thats the end.
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I think some of George Osbourne's lies were obvious within months of the vote. "There'll be an emergency budget after the vote if the decision is to Leave," and "every family will be £4200 worse off within a year of the vote," and 800,000 people will lose their jobs."

Both sides lied, and both sides have projections that we won't know are lies till after Brexit. Having a willy waving contest about who lied the most achieves jack.

Democracy; raise a proposal, vote on the proposal, enact the result of the vote is what democracy is. It isn't lets have a second vote because we don't like the first vote. But just because lemmings say we voted to jump off a cliff doesn't mean the lemmings got it right. Democracy says enact the result of the vote. Common sense says in light of new evidence we might want a parachute.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I thought that being in a democracy people are able to voice their opinion - and if people want a second vote because they think they think the result is bad for the country surely its their democratic right to demand another one - just because one vote has happened doesnt mean thats the end.
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Surely you're not being serious .......................... surely.
If that's how democracy works, in your view, absolutely nothing would ever get done.
I think that's heading fast towards a total state of anarchy.
 
So LP suggests 'the people want a second vote' and it should be allowed because it would be democratic!!

I'd like to know who are 'the people' I guess w need a vote to decide if the majority actually want another vote before we can say another referendum would be democratic :mad::mad::mad:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Pretty obvious...….. I would prefer a fairer EU federalism to a distinctly unfair UK near federalism where Scotland's voice in parliament is constantly unheard.
In the EU we would be welcomed as an equal partner of 26 countries. In the UK, like NI and Wales, we are certainly not an equal partner.
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Your thoughts that Scotland would be an equal partner of 26 countrys is delusional. Do you think that Italy and Greece are " equal".
 
I feel sorry for Maybot.. Parliament won’t pass her bill and now it has limited what she can do to prepare for no-deal.
If ever someone wants to look up for Harakiri in the dictionary..
 
Old Skier said:
While left wing extremists can get away with it. I presume that's because they haven't murdered anyone that we know of.
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You asked why parliament were making such a big thing of it. I answered because one of their colleagues has recently been murdered by a right wing extremist. If you take that as me saying that left wing extremists can get away with anything then I'd argue that's more your problem then mine. Weirdly enough you can abhor both without making it into a competition.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Surely there is a lot of what you say also from people who voted Leave - you point to what SILH says but then you could easily point to another promiment poster on here on the Leave side who has at times been as aggressive and insulting towards people who voted remain - and surely you as a strong person arent that swayed by one person view and opinion ? Surely not ?

You mention lies about "project fear" - well can it be judge lies yet because we havent left ? was it not a forecast ? Same as the promises of the big red bus ?



I thought that being in a democracy people are able to voice their opinion - and if people want a second vote because they think they think the result is bad for the country surely its their democratic right to demand another one - just because one vote has happened doesnt mean thats the end.


All the "leavers" who were at the forefront of the campaign hid away when it came to action - they were all words but no bottle to go through with it. May took up the mantle to try and do the best she can and since then she has been hampered every step of the way and once again promiment Leavers hide away.



Yes the EU could just do everything we say - but why should they ? We are the ones who want to walk away


Overall for me its been a mess from day one

From Cameron trying to sort things out

To the poor smear campaigning on both sides with neither being mature enough to provide facts

To the vote which was that close it was always going to cause issues

To the negotiations with people like JOhnson running away and sniping from the background - countless people resigning and undermining the whole process

Said it before - its a complete shambles and we are an embaressment right now as a country

Look at these Leave campaigners - shouting insults at MP's


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601
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What promise was on the side of the bus?
 
Slime said:
Surely you're not being serious .......................... surely.
If that's how democracy works, in your view, absolutely nothing would ever get done.
I think that's heading fast towards a total state of anarchy.
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Please read actually what I said

drdel said:
So LP suggests 'the people want a second vote' and it should be allowed because it would be democratic!!

I'd like to know who are 'the people' I guess w need a vote to decide if the majority actually want another vote before we can say another referendum would be democratic :mad::mad::mad:
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I believe you should also read what I said


Both are clear examples of issues with the whole thing - they only read what they want to read and make judgements from that
 
Old Skier said:
While left wing extremists can get away with it. I presume that's because they haven't murdered anyone that we know of.
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I don’t think anyone has said anyone can get away with anything - and I didnt think it was a competition.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Surely there is a lot of what you say also from people who voted Leave - you point to what SILH says but then you could easily point to another promiment poster on here on the Leave side who has at times been as aggressive and insulting towards people who voted remain
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Why dont you just drop it, you are just stirring it due to your personal predujice. Move on Man.
 
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