Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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So we have Ministers aound the country drumming up support. I thought the vote was in the HoC by MPs - unless there's a seond referendum! But that can't be true because the PM, et al has said they will not support a second vote !!!
 
So we have Ministers aound the country drumming up support. I thought the vote was in the HoC by MPs - unless there's a seond referendum! But that can't be true because the PM, et al has said they will not support a second vote !!!
Waste of time. 70% of constituencies voted leave but their representivitives in parliament don't wish to reflect this. If there is another general election local parties should consider if their representatives are worth keeping.
 
Waste of time. 70% of constituencies voted leave but their representivitives in parliament don't wish to reflect this. If there is another general election local parties should consider if their representatives are worth keeping.
I understand the sentiment but how would that actually work? If there was a 2nd referendum and the result was reversed, wouldn't that result then reflect what the People thought? You're asking the Public to deselect politicians who agree with them at that point?
 
I live close to the Channel Tunnel and the M20 from Dover, the local news has just said that they might fly in drugs, why are they planning to look after Columbian dealers 🤔

They'll be flying them out too. :LOL:

The UK is the 3rd largest producer of Pharmaceuticals in the EU, and the second largest exporter. Of course the EU will stop medicines at Calais:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Can you imagine Macron, "I'm very sorry aunt Fifi is dead but I couldn't have the filthy British medicines in our country." :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
I understand the sentiment but how would that actually work? If there was a 2nd referendum and the result was reversed, wouldn't that result then reflect what the People thought? You're asking the Public to deselect politicians who agree with them at that point?

Would a reversed result reflect the peoples' thoughts, or reflect that the peoples' will had been beaten into submission by the lies & deceit from the politicians the people elected to serve them but who instead serve their own interests first and foremost?
 
I understand the sentiment but how would that actually work? If there was a 2nd referendum and the result was reversed, wouldn't that result then reflect what the People thought? You're asking the Public to deselect politicians who agree with them at that point?

The previous result reflected what people thought. Why have another one?
 
Would a reversed result reflect the peoples' thoughts, or reflect that the peoples' will had been beaten into submission by the lies & deceit from the politicians the people elected to serve them but who instead serve their own interests first and foremost?
The same could be said for the first referendum, surely?

If the people are that weak before the 2nd ref, then it's only logic that they could be that weak before the first? And Hogie's been taking stick for 2 years for saying that same thing!!!
 
The same could be said for the first referendum, surely?

If the people are that weak before the 2nd ref, then it's only logic that they could be that weak before the first? And Hogie's been taking stick for 2 years for saying that same thing!!!

No he's not been taking stick for saying that same thing; he's been taking stick for the utterly obnoxious, condescending, insulting and downright rude manner in which he said that same thing. In my opinion of course. ;)
 
I live close to the Channel Tunnel and the M20 from Dover, the local news has just said that they might fly in drugs, why are they planning to look after Columbian dealers 🤔
So is this behind the big campaign to keep manston open 😀
 
Not sure why anything Cameron said is of relevance now? He decided to no longer be in charge of the country.

His forecasts for the economic effects of a leave vote were wrong, so don't expect his views on leaving to be right either.
 
I can only ask you to look at the video in post #2626 and then explain why leaving the EU should be complicated.
I'm really not sure if the relevance here. That was a speech given by possibly the worst PM in memory (prior to TM) as part of a negotiation. I'd have been surprised if he'd said anything different.
 
Would a reversed result reflect the peoples' thoughts, or reflect that the peoples' will had been beaten into submission by the lies & deceit from the politicians the people elected to serve them but who instead serve their own interests first and foremost?
I see someone has likened the Brexit monstermucklefuddle to the start of the 1914/18 war.
The biggest act to self harm ever inflicted on the nation.
 
I'm really not sure if the relevance here. That was a speech given by possibly the worst PM in memory (prior to TM) as part of a negotiation. I'd have been surprised if he'd said anything different.

I think the only relevance to it, and others like it, is to show it was made very clear what people voted for. People were told that it was out of the SM and CU.

Isn’t it strange that it appears to only be Remainers who say no one knew what people were voting for.
 
I think the only relevance to it, and others like it, is to show it was made very clear what people voted for. People were told that it was out of the SM and CU.

Isn’t it strange that it appears to only be Remainers who say no one knew what people were voting for.

I'd hardly expect the winning side to say that. If Remain had won then I'm 100% sure that the Leave side would be saying all the same things that are being said currently.

Also, I've never said that the Leave vote was ignorant. I've always maintained that the issue was so complex that no one could possibly have known what Leave was going to look like. Anyone who says they knew exactly what they were voting for is naive at best.
 
I see someone has likened the Brexit monstermucklefuddle to the start of the 1914/18 war.
The biggest act to self harm ever inflicted on the nation.
Right. I'm in a sensitive state so I'm going to just say it.

It's people like you, on both sides of the debate, who are responsible for the deep divisions in society currently. You offer nothing but cheap snide digs, hoping to provoke a response.
 
The scaremongering continues, ques at Dover for 6 months, bodies not being collected from the morgue. What next ? Quicker this deal gets voted down and May is forced to resign the better, get somebody with a bit of backbone in, leave on WTO terms, uncertainty in the short term but save 39 billion and become more competitive and open up the rest of the world for trade. The EU is a disgrace, the Soviet union collapsed, so will the EU eventually
 
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