Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

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have you not read any of SILH's posts on the matter?

OK then - here is a fact about Brexit - what just just one company is having to do now as a direct result of Brexit. If Brexit was not happening they would not have to do this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46191729

And a rather obvious one (to all but the DExEU secretary)

There are approx 2.6m truck movements through Dover a year - another 1.4m use the tunnel. The vast majority of these trucks have minimal if any checks because they are all going to another EU country. There is neither the time nor the scope or space at Dover to scale up existing customs operations at Dover to cope with a UK outside of the EU and the resulting associated customs checks.

Another fact related to the above.

Honda UK relies on 350 trucks a day arriving from Europe to keep its giant Swindon factory operating, with just an hour’s worth of parts being held on the production line.

 

[Kellfire]

Brexit is already having a negative effect on the craft beer industry as many European importers are saying they simply won’t be able to afford UK beer after Brexit.

 

[Old Skier]

Well done, have you got any further confirming the lies that came out of the remain side.

 

[IanM]

Brexit is already having a negative effect on the craft beer industry as many European importers are saying they simply won’t be able to afford UK beer after Brexit.

Contrasting wonderfully with the news that we won't be able to afford imported beer in the UK due to the Pound being worthless...

Can't both be right!

 

[IanM]

And what is the REAL impact of Brexit then?....... Facts not opinion please.

Anyone saying they know for sure is lying. Simply because the terms of exit are not yet agreed!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I wonder how many of the leave means leave group protesting will actually know what the details of the agreement are. The same goes for all the Tory, Labour and SNP members (from both the Leave and Remain sides) who are already saying it should be rejected, before they've even read the details.

They also don't know what being a vassal to a.n.other actually means - and also could not tell us what it is about May's agreement that would qualify UK as a vassal state. But the pseud-intellectual JR-M used the word and it sounds impressive - so many Leave voters now throw it around as if they knew it all along.

As mentioned elsewhere - and they might not realise this - but in feudal times a Lord would be a vassal of the King. But that did not make the Lord powerless or unable to make decisions for himself. He simple pledged an allegiance to the King and supplied men and money as required by the King. Pretty much where the UK is at the moment in respect of the EU I'd say.

 

[Dando]

Well done, have you got any further confirming the lies that came out of the remain side.

remain didn't lie, they just exaggerated and in SILH's warped world that is ok

 

[SocketRocket]

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OK then - here is a fact about Brexit - what just just one company is having to do now as a direct result of Brexit. If Brexit was not happening they would not have to do this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46191729

And a rather obvious one (to all but the DExEU secretary)

There are approx 2.6m truck movements through Dover a year - another 1.4m use the tunnel. The vast majority of these trucks have minimal if any checks because they are all going to another EU country. There is neither the time nor the scope or space at Dover to scale up existing customs operations at Dover to cope with a UK outside of the EU and the resulting associated customs checks.

Another fact related to the above.

Honda UK relies on 350 trucks a day arriving from Europe to keep its giant Swindon factory operating, with just an hour’s worth of parts being held on the production line.

Where did you get the information regarding Hondas parts supply. My brother in law works for Honda in Swindon and collects parts for the production lines in a truck from a massive storage facility 20 miles away then delivers them to the factory. It may be true that they only have one hours supply of parts in the factory but they have a large amount near by. Honda are not stupid, they dont have a situation where a two hour delay on thr M5 stops their production lines.

 

[SocketRocket]

Brexit is already having a negative effect on the craft beer industry as many European importers are saying they simply won’t be able to afford UK beer after Brexit.

How exactly is Brexit affecting the price of craft beer in the EU,we have not left yet so there are no tariffs, the fall of the pound against the euro will make it cheaper to buy at the moment. And who would be putting tariffs on this beer. After Brexit, Not the UK.

 

[IanM]

Been in a room today with a load of (pretty senior) career Civil Servants.... I'd say the majority are pro Remain and left of centre...

Interesting discussion on Brexit - virtually no consensus on what they think will actually happen... i.e 2nd Ref, No Deal, Theresa's Fudge (my words!) etc etc etc

My feeling is that if this lot don't know, or can make an informed guess... know one does. (and I mean decision, not economic outcome)

 

[User62651]

Been in a room today with a load of (pretty senior) career Civil Servants.... I'd say the majority are pro Remain and left of centre...

Interesting discussion on Brexit - virtually no consensus on what they think will actually happen... i.e 2nd Ref, No Deal, Theresa's Fudge (my words!) etc etc etc

My feeling is that if this lot don't know, or can make an informed guess... know one does. (and I mean decision, not economic outcome)

It's only taken 29 months to get to this point too.
Wonder where we'll be in 29 months from now?

 

[SocketRocket]

It's only taken 29 months to get to this point too.
Wonder where we'll be in 29 months from now?

Probably still here in the UK wondering what all the fuss was about.

 

[IanM]

It's only taken 29 months to get to this point too.
Wonder where we'll be in 29 months from now?

Still in the EU.... the messing about is deliberate. (in my view)

 

[Fade and Die]

Anyone saying they know for sure is lying. Simply because the terms of exit are not yet agreed!

Correct but SILH never lets the facts get in the way of a good rant. Too much listening to James o Brien has turned him into an extremist........ https://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/07/to-become-an-extremist-hang-around-with-people-you-agree-with/

 

[Foxholer]

Been in a room today with a load of (pretty senior) career Civil Servants
...

Another bunch of 'unelected beauraucrats then'!

 

[Foxholer]

Correct but SILH never lets the facts get in the way of a good rant....

And his opinion (which seems rather more informed than yours) is certainly worth exactly the same as yours (or mine) and should be treated with the same respect as your own!

BTW. Does it not surprise anyone that so many have already pooh-pooh-ed May's 'deal' when details haven't actually been made public yet? It striks me that Rees-Mogg and Bozo would be the last to be informed of it, yet they were almost instantly critical of 'it' - without actually going into detail of what they objected to! I'd respect their opinioms rather more if they actually stated specifics rather than simply repeating the same tired (and misleading) rhetoric!

 

[chrisd]

I'd respect their opinioms rather more if they actually stated specifics rather than simply repeating the same tired (and misleading) rhetoric!

But you stand up for SILH for doing just that?

 

[bobmac]

And his opinion (which seems rather more informed than yours) is certainly worth exactly the same as yours (or mine) and should be treated with the same respect as your own!

I accept he's entitled to his opinion but why should I respect it if I think he's wrong?

 

[SocketRocket]

Its all a bit of whatiffery at the moment. The crutial issue is what trading arrangement we can agree with the EU. If its a good tariff free deal then all this current turmoil would become irellivent. The negotiations have been in the wrong order and we should have insisted there would be no discussions on the divorce bill or the irish border untill this had been agreed.

In my opinion of course.

 

[Robster59]

And what is the REAL impact of Brexit then?....... Facts not opinion please.

Have you not been watching the news and the businesses being interviewed? This is my considered opinion after looking into it very closely.
You don't believe there will be an impact?
It's an opinion but I'm happy for YOU to provide ME with FACTS to prove I'm wrong.