Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Doon frae Troon]

Wooh hoo!!!

As I was saying all along ... this might have been decided long ago but then strung out for as long as it could to create the illusion that we r in a no-deal situation.. and then voila T-May in shinning armour will vanquish all the naysayers, Labour et al with the rabbit out the hat

Brexit: Theresa May calls special cabinet meeting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46188790

Calm down, calm down.
I would think that May has a snowball in hells chance of getting her version past parliament.
Opposition from Gammon/UKIP Tories, leftie Labour, SNP, Plaid, Lieb Dems, DUP loons and Greens [if they have an MP] will see to that.

 

[Fade and Die]

Calm down, calm down.
I would think that May has a snowball in hells chance of getting her version past parliament.
Opposition from Gammon/UKIP Tories, leftie Labour, SNP, Plaid, Lieb Dems, DUP loons and Greens [if they have an MP] will see to that.

Agreed, it’s a dead duck. Let’s have the hardest possible Brexit then start negotiating. The E.U. might take “The Apeaser” seriously then.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Quick! There’s a herd of them galloping up The Mall.

From the wailing coming from Rees-Mogg and Johnson I think a couple may have found homes for their horns. To hear Johnson complain about 'the deal' as he is this evening is almost vomit inducing when it was his self-serving duplicity that gave kudos to Farage and set us off down this road to nowhere.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Merkel has now joined Macron in calling for the creation of an EU army. That must be a totally different EU army to the one that Remain said would never exist during the referendum. Otherwise Remain would have been telling lies and as we know they don't do that, they only exaggerate.

YOu do know that forces of EU nations have operated together for some time under the EU flag and the auspices of the European Defence Union

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Agreed, it’s a dead duck. Let’s have the hardest possible Brexit then start negotiating. The E.U. might take “The Apeaser” seriously then.

Yeh right - that's just going to be such a mega intelligent thing to do. Anyway - roll on a referendum on Remain or The Deal.

Leavers have got a deal to leave the EU - so what's the problem - they'd all vote for the deal surely?

 

[ColchesterFC]

YOu do know that forces of EU nations have operated together for some time under the EU flag and the auspices of the European Defence Union

Yes, I am aware of the European Defence Agency created in 2004, but I wouldn't class that as a "real, true European army" which is what both Macron and Merkel have called for. You can employ your usual spin and fudge to try to ignore the issue but during the referendum Remain stated that there were no plans for and would never be a European army. They lied, but you are using your usual tactics of ignoring the facts because they don't suit your one sided blinkered view.

 

[Mudball]

Calm down, calm down.
I would think that May has a snowball in hells chance of getting her version past parliament.
Opposition from Gammon/UKIP Tories, leftie Labour, SNP, Plaid, Lieb Dems, DUP loons and Greens [if they have an MP] will see to that.

Other than SNP which will oppose, no one will oppose it.. it will be swept under ‘the will of the people’, ‘as per the General Counsels advice’ or ‘party whip’ or some other spineless point..
the reality is unless the deal is s*ithot, everyone is going to sit back and let TMay drink from the poisoned chalice

 

[spongebob59]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1062440275958816768

 

[Old Skier]

YOu do know that forces of EU nations have operated together for some time under the EU flag and the auspices of the European Defence Union

And you know that the missions carried out by these forces have been UN or NATO mandated, Those pushing for a EU Army are looking at operating under their own mandate and having the necessary assets to achieve it. Germany and France looking at forming a federal super power, who'd have thought.

 

[Hobbit]

From the wailing coming from Rees-Mogg and Johnson I think a couple may have found homes for their horns. To hear Johnson complain about 'the deal' as he is this evening is almost vomit inducing when it was his self-serving duplicity that gave kudos to Farage and set us off down this road to nowhere.

The guy is a disgusting piece of something unmentionable. The cabinet don't even know the details yet, yet him and Mogg are shouting "no."

 

[ColchesterFC]

The guy is a disgusting piece of something unmentionable. The cabinet don't even know the details yet, yet him and Mogg are shouting "no."

Totally agree, but for the purposes of balance Keir Starmer and Sadiq Khan are also saying that it should be rejected and some in the SNP have said it should be rejected and there should be a 2nd independence referendum for Scotland. MPs from all parties are guilty of reacting to something that they haven't yet seen.

 

[Old Skier]

Let's face it, with well over half of the commons being against leaving, the best deal in the world would fail. Remember, the political class are looking at one of the biggest extended career and pension schemes going west.

PS: Any news of SILH admitting that there may have been some remain porkies

 

[harpo_72]

Ah I think they agreed a continental breakfast really isn’t as good as a full English .. but it’s a start of a positive change in the negotiations.

 

[User62651]

Let's face it, with well over half of the commons being against leaving, the best deal in the world would fail. Remember, the political class are looking at one of the biggest extended career and pension schemes going west.

PS: Any news of SILH admitting that there may have been some remain porkies

This deal as it stands gives economic stability and addresses control of immigration and allows cessation of payments to EU. £ and markets rallied well on this news.
It doesn't allow unfettered new trade deal making or free us totally from EU regulation.
Northern Ireland unionists have some constitutional concerns.

It doesn't seem that bad a compromise.

As for EU army I dont think that's really an issue for your average joe who voted leave - not giving the EU money and controlling immigration were the 2 issues that won leave the referendum. I dont think your aveage leave voter or remain voter across rUK gave or still honestly gives 2 hoots about NI status within UK.

 

[drdel]

This deal as it stands gives economic stability and addresses control of immigration and allows cessation of payments to EU. £ and markets rallied well on this news.
It doesn't allow unfettered new trade deal making or free us totally from EU regulation.
Northern Ireland unionists have some constitutional concerns.

It doesn't seem that bad a compromise.

As for EU army I dont think that's really an issue for your average joe who voted leave - not giving the EU money and controlling immigration were the 2 issues that won leave the referendum. I dont think your aveage leave voter or remain voter across rUK gave or still honestly gives 2 hoots about NI status within UK.

Perhaps the answer is for Republic of Ireland (a very small population & economy: largely dependent on trade with UK) to join the UK !!!!!

 

[Deleted member 18121]

1pm today the leave means leave group will protest outside downing street at the "deal" that May has proposed. I wonder how much air time it'll be given by the media....I really feel like these next few days are a pivotal point in our future.

 

[ColchesterFC]

1pm today the leave means leave group will protest outside downing street at the "deal" that May has proposed. I wonder how much air time it'll be given by the media....I really feel like these next few days are a pivotal point in our future.

I wonder how many of the leave means leave group protesting will actually know what the details of the agreement are. The same goes for all the Tory, Labour and SNP members (from both the Leave and Remain sides) who are already saying it should be rejected, before they've even read the details.

 

[Robster59]

Other than SNP which will oppose, no one will oppose it.. it will be swept under ‘the will of the people’, ‘as per the General Counsels advice’ or ‘party whip’ or some other spineless point..
the reality is unless the deal is s*ithot, everyone is going to sit back and let TMay drink from the poisoned chalice

I have the feeling that Labour will oppose whatever deal is in place. Their main focus is on bringing down the current Conservative government, force the election and hopefully get in. Irrespective of the impact this has on the people of the UK. And I say this as a lifelong Labour supporter but at the moment, with the current leadership, I have no faith in them at all.
What we need is another referendum now that people see the REAL impact of Brexit rather than the jingoist rantings that dominated the lead up to the poll which have all now strangely disappeared.

 

[Fade and Die]

I have the feeling that Labour will oppose whatever deal is in place. Their main focus is on bringing down the current Conservative government, force the election and hopefully get in. Irrespective of the impact this has on the people of the UK. And I say this as a lifelong Labour supporter but at the moment, with the current leadership, I have no faith in them at all.
What we need is another referendum now that people see the REAL impact of Brexit rather than the jingoist rantings that dominated the lead up to the poll which have all now strangely disappeared.

And what is the REAL impact of Brexit then?....... Facts not opinion please.

 

[Dando]

And what is the REAL impact of Brexit then?....... Facts not opinion please.

have you not read any of SILH's posts on the matter?