Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Perhaps its the 'agreed process' that's at fault... Poland itself wasn't too happy with Tusk's promotion...
Anyhow, soon shouldn't be a concern for the UK...

Well 'Poland itself' liked him sufficiently to make re-elect him as Prime Minister - which hasn't happened in post-communism times!

Perhaps (more likely imo) it's simply 'Some Polish politicians' that weren't too happy - some personal issues perhaps!
 
I suspect we're seeing the same issues but want different solutions.
With regards to immigration, we can close as many borders as we want. If we don't invest in policing them then who's going to stop people coming in? And if we do stop them, who's going to grow the population and in turn grow the economy .
Do you mean the way India, China and just about all the other countries do that have poor and starving populations, Create bigger populations that share the same size cake. Increased populations stress and strain living standards unless they are associated with parallel increases in manufacturing and food suplies.
 
Do you mean the way India, China and just about all the other countries do that have poor and starving populations, Create bigger populations that share the same size cake. Increased populations stress and strain living standards unless they are associated with parallel increases in manufacturing and food suplies.
So we're in agreement then? The current economic model is a race to failure. Unfettered Capitalism has a best before date. Cool 👍👍👍

Oh, and the countries that you mention control the economic model by constructing an ever increasing social underclass with no access to State funding. I'm not sure we should be looking to them for any sort of lessons.
 
Well 'Poland itself' liked him sufficiently to make re-elect him as Prime Minister - which hasn't happened in post-communism times!

Perhaps (more likely imo) it's simply 'Some Polish politicians' that weren't too happy - some personal issues perhaps!



Or, it could be Polish folk feel he's not returning the 'faith/belief' they showed in him with his re-election...
Certainly the couple of Poles I worked alongside could, at times, be quite critical of his stance re B****t...
 
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Certainly the couple of Poles I worked alongside could, at times, be quite critical of his stance re B****t...
Well if they worked with you in UK, then they quite possibly had a distinct 'vested interest' about his decisions.
The Pole I work with, who is also eligible for a UK Passport, seems to have a fairly balanced view of Tusk's approach - that Tusk is, after all, now working for the interest of the EU, not simply Poland, which was the case when he was Polish PM, so some of his decisions may not be optimised for Poland.
 
So Jeremy Corbyn has said the following.
He said he would be "bound" by the outcome of a vote at the Labour Party conference - although he would prefer to have a general election.
So let's get this right. He would push for us to remain in the EU if the Labour membership voted for it. Totally disregarding the vote what the whole of the UK voted for.
Hows that right.
 
So Jeremy Corbyn has said the following.
He said he would be "bound" by the outcome of a vote at the Labour Party conference - although he would prefer to have a general election.
So let's get this right. He would push for us to remain in the EU if the Labour membership voted for it. Totally disregarding the vote what the whole of the UK voted for.
Hows that right.

Changes with the wind. Vote chaser and desperate. If he could reduce the voting age to 12 he would.
 
So Jeremy Corbyn has said the following.
He said he would be "bound" by the outcome of a vote at the Labour Party conference - although he would prefer to have a general election.
So let's get this right. He would push for us to remain in the EU if the Labour membership voted for it. Totally disregarding the vote what the whole of the UK voted for.
Hows that right.

Well if he doesn't listen to his party membership he's effectively a dictator. A leader should always listen to/consider the views of his party. Views change, people change their minds if they see the error of a former decision/viewpoint. Everyone changes their mind on things.
Whole point of being in oppostion is to try and become government so acting surprised that Labour would like to take advantage of a useless PM and divided govt is hardly surprising. If shoe was on the other foot Tories would be doing exactly the same.
If a general election were called soon, and it could be if May cannot get Chequers both through Commons and agreed in principle with EU, it'd be very hard to call who'd win it, think people are sick of this Govt.
Since the 2017 election I really dont think May has moved the case for herself being PM or her party ruling forward, gone t'other way and it was fairly close last time.
This is a golf forum full of retired and middle-aged male golfers with comfortable lifestyles and money in the bank so the political view will be skewed to the right (Tory) on numbers, nothing wrong with that but country wide an awful lot of the UK does not share that same quality of life and will readily vote Labour, you wouldn't see that here of course, bit like the village Conservative club at times.:eek:
 
Well if he doesn't listen to his party membership he's effectively a dictator.

So all his speeches were he stated that we "Must follow the democratic wishes of the majority " on Brexit was a lie then.

He's happy for a few to dictate to the wishes of the many. This is one kind of dictatorship that you would or wouldn't be happy with.
 
If he dont listen to a majority vote he wont get in power. The worst pm and government in living memory is only matched by the worst Labour party in living memory. This forum is full of retired and middle class people. But they have all woked to get where they have in life. And they can spot a BS er. And Corbyn is 5 star in that respect.
 
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For democracy to work properly there has to be a credible, electable opposition as an alternative to the incumbent government. At the moment we have a government that doesn't appear to know it's arse from it's elbow and an opposition that, imo, isn't even fit for opposition never mind running the country.
Somehow Corbyn, despite single handedly keeping Labour from a 20 point lead in the polls, looks untouchable.
 
Well if he doesn't listen to his party membership he's effectively a dictator. A leader should always listen to/consider the views of his party. Views change, people change their minds if they see the error of a former decision/viewpoint. Everyone changes their mind on things.
Whole point of being in oppostion is to try and become government so acting surprised that Labour would like to take advantage of a useless PM and divided govt is hardly surprising. If shoe was on the other foot Tories would be doing exactly the same.
If a general election were called soon, and it could be if May cannot get Chequers both through Commons and agreed in principle with EU, it'd be very hard to call who'd win it, think people are sick of this Govt.
Since the 2017 election I really dont think May has moved the case for herself being PM or her party ruling forward, gone t'other way and it was fairly close last time.
This is a golf forum full of retired and middle-aged male golfers with comfortable lifestyles and money in the bank so the political view will be skewed to the right (Tory) on numbers, nothing wrong with that but country wide an awful lot of the UK does not share that same quality of life and will readily vote Labour, you wouldn't see that here of course, bit like the village Conservative club at times.:eek:

The Brexit vote wasn’t a political vote. It was the biggest single issue the U.K. has ever voted on. And a look at the demographic of who voted for it you will see that over 20% of the Leave voters were Labour voters.

The LibDems campaigned on (almost) a single issue at the last GE, staying in Europe. Whilst they were penalised for being part of the coalition govt, they also lost a mountain of votes/ over 20 of LibDems had also voted Leave.

Corbyn is right, and cunningly so. Let’s have a GE then see what Labour will do about Brexit. To do otherwise risks over 20% of Labour voters being pretty P’d off.
 
Still looking like its mainly older folk campaigning for another say...
So, guessing the younger ones. remain as can't be asked...

Asked? Arsed surely?
Not sure why you'd say that, yes they didn't turn out for EU ref vote in 2016 in numbers but maybe they learned a lesson as a year later they did mobilise for the General Election and helped give Theresa May a bit of shoe-ing, she hung on but only just, took Labour to 40% vote share, better than expected, remember talk on here of a tory majority of 60-80 MPs.
Next general election should see a big turnout of the younger voters, whether we're in/out of EU or still somewhere in between.
 
Asked? Arsed surely?

I have a keep it clean spellchecker ;)…

Not sure why you'd say that, yes they didn't turn out for EU ref vote in 2016 in numbers but maybe they learned a lesson as a year later they did mobilise for the General Election and helped give Theresa May a bit of shoe-ing, she hung on but only just, took Labour to 40% vote share, better than expected, remember talk on here of a tory majority of 60-80 MPs.
Next general election should see a big turnout of the younger voters, whether we're in/out of EU or still somewhere in between.

Basing my opinion on TV news coverage showing [generally] older folk marching/demonstrating...
Which may be different to what you are seeing in your region...
 
Well if he doesn't listen to his party membership he's effectively a dictator. A leader should always listen to/consider the views of his party. Views change, people change their minds if they see the error of a former decision/viewpoint. Everyone changes their mind on things.
Whole point of being in oppostion is to try and become government so acting surprised that Labour would like to take advantage of a useless PM and divided govt is hardly surprising. If shoe was on the other foot Tories would be doing exactly the same.
If a general election were called soon, and it could be if May cannot get Chequers both through Commons and agreed in principle with EU, it'd be very hard to call who'd win it, think people are sick of this Govt.
Since the 2017 election I really dont think May has moved the case for herself being PM or her party ruling forward, gone t'other way and it was fairly close last time.
This is a golf forum full of retired and middle-aged male golfers with comfortable lifestyles and money in the bank so the political view will be skewed to the right (Tory) on numbers, nothing wrong with that but country wide an awful lot of the UK does not share that same quality of life and will readily vote Labour, you wouldn't see that here of course, bit like the village Conservative club at times.:eek:

Think people are sick of politicians generally, whether they are in government or not.
 
So we're in agreement then? The current economic model is a race to failure. Unfettered Capitalism has a best before date. Cool 👍👍👍

Oh, and the countries that you mention control the economic model by constructing an ever increasing social underclass with no access to State funding. I'm not sure we should be looking to them for any sort of lessons.
agreement only if you agree unfettered population increase and mainly through immigration is the major threat to the living standards of our nation.
 
agreement only if you agree unfettered population increase and mainly through immigration is the major threat to the living standards of our nation.
Hardly a stretch to agree with that. Uncontrolled immigration is a State killer. However, seeing as we already have the ability to control immigration then Brexit will do nothing to change that. What we don't have is funding and structure. That won't change after March.
 
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