Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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ColchesterFC said:
Didn't David Davis also have the same stance. "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" I believe was the quote. And the above shows the extreme bias you have towards the EU. When it is the EU that changes its mind or its position then you justify that by saying....

"We can all change our mind or adjust our position during a negotiation - if that is what Barnier has done - it's called negotiation I thought"

But when it's the UK you use words like "renege" on the agreement. Why isn't it called negotiation, a change of mind or adjusting our position? You are so blinded by your hatred of the thought of leaving the EU that you have become a complete hypocrite.
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I do not have an extreme bias towards the EU. I am very anti-Brexit. I can so no good whatsoever coming from it - if it ever happens - since at the moment we seem to be coming down to two options - No Deal or No Brexit. Since - and what a surprise this - whenever anyone actually tries to write down a position on Brexit - it is rubbished left, right and centre.

And so we find No Deal - something that was for most an absolute bottom line and generally unthinkable - now becomes something to be discussed and promoted as having significant benefits. Well they would say that wouldn't they - because it's dead easy to write down the definition of No Deal...it's a blank page - and isn't that an easy cop out.

And I'll thank you in advance for not indulging in further personal attacks.
 
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Hobbit said:
I've taken the first line from your response. Its a pretty simple, straightforward sentence. Very unambiguous.

Now go and read what you posted in #291, which I quoted in #294.

Specifically the bit I've highlighted and underlined, "It's not a case of admitting that the EU is ever wrong. It's simply a FACT that we knew in advance of the start of negotiations the stance that the EU would take in any matter relating to the 4 freedoms - and that the EU would negotiate to the best interests of the EU. Where the EUs best interests aligned pretty well with those of the UK then the EU might well move to accommodate ours - but only if any move my the EU did not compromise the 4 freedoms."


You say they won't compromise the red lines, and now you are saying they will. You don't even know from one day to the next, or in this case within 4 hours, what you are saying. You've contradicted yourself in an effort to say the EU will negotiate when previously you said they won't. And how does that make your argument credible?
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They won't unless they want to...and they won't unless it suits them.
 
Paperboy said:
He was tarring Tories as liars more then likely correct, I made a statement of my opinion that pretty much no Politician isn't a liar.

What does that have to do about the average Joe?
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We are all human - human's tell fibs...why do we expect different from politicians?

As it happens I think it is a rather trite and lazy comment to say that all politicians lie - some do tell enormous porkies that are intended to (and do) deceive the electorate - others I might suggest may lie no more than you or I.
 
I'd go for no deal.
Walk away and let them come to us.

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I do not have an extreme bias towards the EU. I am very anti-Brexit. I can so no good whatsoever coming from it - if it ever happens - since at the moment we seem to be coming down to two options - No Deal or No Brexit. Since - and what a surprise this - whenever anyone actually tries to write down a position on Brexit - it is rubbished left, right and centre.

And so we find No Deal - something that was for most an absolute bottom line and generally unthinkable - now becomes something to be discussed and promoted as having significant benefits. Well they would say that wouldn't they - because it's dead easy to write down the definition of No Deal...it's a blank page - and isn't that an easy cop out.

And I'll thank you in advance for not indulging in further personal attacks.
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“I am very anti-Brexit”..... well why didn’t you say before as we had no idea!

next you drop the bombshell that Nigel Farage and Donald Trump aren’t on your “Winter Festival” card list
 
Stockpiling food and medicines in case of a no deal, whoever voted leave shouldn’t be allowed access to these reserves.
 
Stuart_C said:
Stockpiling food and medicines in case of a no deal, whoever voted leave shouldn’t be allowed access to these reserves.
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So you are suggesting we starve people and their families depending on their voting preference. How about hanging their cats.
 
SocketRocket said:
So you are suggesting we starve people and their families depending on their voting preference. How about hanging their cats.
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So you want your cake and you want to eat it?

When Jaguar Landrover close their uk plants which will affect the supply chain, thought to be circa 60,000 people, for those who voted remin how are those people supposed to feed their families?
 
SocketRocket said:
So you are suggesting we starve people and their families depending on their voting preference. How about hanging their cats.
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Maybe having something in place that if we hit hard times because of leaving the EU ( I see a nice trade deal with the US happening ) and we get to the stage of rations etc etc then maybe the people who voted us out should be at the back of the queue
 
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