Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[IanM]

Stockpile food in case of no deal says the Guardian.

Well, went shopping with the Mrs on the way home last night.... all the veg was local... we bought meat from Wales and Herfordshire, Aussie wine, Welsh bottled water. In fact the Becks was the only EU import in the bag.

Oh , how will we manage?

(and it the last post one bloke quoting himself? I wonder? )

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The Genius of Chris Grayling

And so - to Chris Grayling - not content with presiding over the mess that is Transport and the Rail Franchising (all of which he recently claimed he knew little about); with awarding great dollops of HS2 to Carillion - we today learn that the privatisation of elements of the probation system is going to be dumped as it is not working - at the cost to the taxpayer of £170m. And not forgetting that this is the same Mr Grayling who as justice Secretary promoted longer prison sentences, the restriction of human rights and the severe reduction of legal aid.

And at the same time he telling us to trust him that all will be well with Brexit - and we are supposed to believe this guy (some would call him an idiot but I shan't as that would be me being judgemental and I don't know the guy personally)

What does it take for this guy to be sacked - he is utterly useless? But there he sits with his big salary, fancy ministerial car, and huge pension to come - not just presiding over one disaster after another - but being part of the disasters.

And yet, like Esther McVey (she who through her own words lied to the Commons), he sits there in the cabinet - seemingly immune from criticism from so much of the British media - why? I can only assume because he is a staunch Brexiter and so needed for Brexiter cabinet balance - and he does what he is told and doesn't ask difficult questions.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Businessman after businessman who import and export to and from the EU calling in to James O'Brien this morning - explaining exactly why in detail No Deal would be a total disaster for their business. These guys are telling us about Project Reality.

The terrible problem is that the right wing Brexit-loving press and media are not interested in raising such awareness in the general public and asking the government the difficult questions.

And the Brexit-loving politicians dare not admit that these businessmen are telling the truth...that leaving with No Deal will be an unmitigated disaster - and it won't be the charlatans, spivs, liers and snake-oil salesmen who will suffer.

I'm only reflecting what I am hearing.

 

[IanM]

So, they'd prefer a deal rather than no-deal.... that because the need to be clear on the rules of engagement asap.

That's fair enough. But it would be nice if the current Government were working towards a pragmatic outcome other than making such a mess, staying in will be the outcome. I am sure the EU will reward them well for their loyallty...........remember Morning Cloud anyone?

So, have you now ceased campaiging to another Referendum and just stainding again "No Deal?"

 

[MegaSteve]

Businessman after businessman who import and export to and from the EU calling in to James O'Brien this morning - explaining exactly why in detail No Deal would be a total disaster for their business. These guys are telling us about Project Reality.

The terrible problem is that the right wing Brexit-loving press and media are not interested in raising such awareness in the general public and asking the government the difficult questions.

And the Brexit-loving politicians dare not admit that these businessmen are telling the truth...that leaving with No Deal will be an unmitigated disaster - and it won't be the charlatans, spivs, liers and snake-oil salesmen who will suffer.

I'm only reflecting what I am hearing.

It's a shame French farmers don't have access to LBC otherwise they'd be on the line with their concerns with Brussels handling of B****t...
Let alone how much Jean-Claude will sell them down the river, with the Donald, to protect German jobs...

And, as for the French political classes...
We can cancel B****t anytime... To continue to enjoy the benefits of EU memberships...
Well, if there had been any joy to be had surely the vote would've gone the other way...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Some leavers ought to maybe just take a little time to LISTEN to REALITY - rather than simply dismiss EVERYTHING as Project-bloody-Fear.
Like the frog in the pot on the hob gently heating the water - will it take the water to be boiling and too late for the frog to get out before some realise and accept that this is going to be a disaster.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So, they'd prefer a deal rather than no-deal.... that because the need to be clear on the rules of engagement asap.

That's fair enough. But it would be nice if the current Government were working towards a pragmatic outcome other than making such a mess, staying in will be the outcome. I am sure the EU will reward them well for their loyallty...........remember Morning Cloud anyone?

So, have you now ceased campaiging to another Referendum and just stainding again "No Deal?"

There is no deal that the government can reach that will be acceptable to the Leave public, the ERG and parliament. And Liam Fox knows this, and so is now advising the Prime Minister that No Deal is the way to go. The Secretary of State for International Trade wants us to leave with No Deal. It would be funny were it not so terribly and bizarrely awful.

 

[Hobbit]

Supermarkets are asking how they are supposed to stockpile food - they don't have warehouses for that sort of thing. And Lord Price - former Waitrose Managing Director and former Conservative international trade minister - tells us that the supermarkets can't stockpile fresh food - so if No Deal expect shortages and significant cost increases - especially in fruit and veg - as 80% of UKs salad veg comes from Spain.

But hey - dead easy to dismiss all this stuff with two words - PF - maybe that's actually PF'L as Project Fear gradually morphs into Project Reality.

But that won't stop many Leavers adopting the recent Trumpism - What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.

Well, if 30% of all the UK's food consumption comes from the EU just imagine how much the producers in the EU are shouting at Barnier. Even Merkel has told him, this week, to sort this out. If you think that there's noise in the UK I would suggest you tune in, if your wireless goes that far, to the noise coming from within the EU.

But as per bl00dy usual your postings show no balance. You are the Farage and Johnson of the Remain camp. Next time you call those idiots out, look in the mirror.

 

[Foxholer]

As a Remain voter who accepts the 'will of the people' (aka the Leave result) it is an utterly appalling situation where the PM claims to have things under control and also announces/promotes 'stockpiling' as she appears to have done.

The entire charade that is the 'negotiations' needs to be sorted out - and the likes of Merkel need to be convinced that Junkers's charade is no good for any of the countries involved!

It'll be more posturing until much closer to the cutoff date - at which point Junkers will be TOLD what he should accept!

It currently seems to be all about brinkmanship, something I used to think UK was particularly good at! But I fear they are, currently, being shown to be 2nd rate.

 

[Tashyboy]

Some leavers ought to maybe just take a little time to LISTEN to REALITY - rather than simply dismiss EVERYTHING as Project-bloody-Fear.
Like the frog in the pot on the hob gently heating the water - will it take the water to be boiling and too late for the frog to get out before some realise and accept that this is going to be a disaster.

Foxy. Don't know how you can get this into your head, but for some of us being in the EU was worse than being out. I am the frog in the boiling pot. The EU and governments of both parties never took me out of said pot. Now you are telling me it could be worse. Really

 

[IanM]

There is no deal that the government can reach that will be acceptable to the Leave public, the ERG and parliament. And Liam Fox knows this, and so is now advising the Prime Minister that No Deal is the way to go. The Secretary of State for International Trade wants us to leave with No Deal. It would be funny were it not so terribly and bizarrely awful.

a) Thats not entirely true. But you know this.
b) Plenty of very interesting pro "No Deal" papers about on the net if you bother to check. Written by people without swastikas on their foreheads.


And why I continue to reply to you is beyond me

 

[Tashyboy]

Foxy. Don't know how you can get this into your head, but for some of us being in the EU was worse than being out. I am the frog in the boiling pot. The EU and governments of both parties never took me out of said pot. Now you are telling me it could be worse. Really

my bad, not Foxy but SILH.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

my bad, not Foxy but SILH.

If only you knew

 

[Foxholer]

...
And why I continue to reply to you is beyond me

Beyond me too!

 

[Foxholer]

Businessman after businessman who import and export to and from the EU calling in to James O'Brien this morning - explaining exactly why in detail No Deal would be a total disaster for their business. These guys are telling us about Project Reality.

The terrible problem is that the right wing Brexit-loving press and media are not interested in raising such awareness in the general public and asking the government the difficult questions.

And the Brexit-loving politicians dare not admit that these businessmen are telling the truth...that leaving with No Deal will be an unmitigated disaster - and it won't be the charlatans, spivs, liers and snake-oil salesmen who will suffer.

I'm only reflecting what I am hearing.

In truth, there will definitely some businesses/business models that will suffer, the casual single van driver delivering a van load to an EU country and picking up a van load to speculatively punt in the UK being an obvious case. But ANY businessman worthy of that title should be organising his/her business to mitigate the negatives and take advantage of the positives! He should NOT simply WHINGE about how it affects his/her current business model!

What the Government MUST do is protect the overall interests of the UK economy - and Financial Services (20% of GDP?) are probably the most important part of that! Yet there has been hardly a squeak about how that's going to be maintained!

 

[SocketRocket]

Says the man who gleefully supported every single anti Independence project fear lie in 2014...….talk about double standards.

I didn't give a damn about Scottish independence either way. Maybe you could enlighten me to what I supposedly said. Memory not so good these days Doom.

 

[SocketRocket]

Supermarkets are asking how they are supposed to stockpile food - they don't have warehouses for that sort of thing. And Lord Price - former Waitrose Managing Director and former Conservative international trade minister - tells us that the supermarkets can't stockpile fresh food - so if No Deal expect shortages and significant cost increases - especially in fruit and veg - as 80% of UKs salad veg comes from Spain.

But hey - dead easy to dismiss all this stuff with two words - PF - maybe that's actually PF'L as Project Fear gradually morphs into Project Reality.

But that won't stop many Leavers adopting the recent Trumpism - What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.

pathetic, absolutely pathetic
How can intelligent people be taken in by this utter rubbish.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

pathetic, absolutely pathetic
How can intelligent people be taken in by this utter rubbish.

I assume that you are referring to Lord Price - former Waitrose Managing Director and former Conservative international trade minister.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I didn't give a damn about Scottish independence either way. Maybe you could enlighten me to what I supposedly said. Memory not so good these days Doom.

Armed border police, can't use our pound, driving on the right, won't be able to stay in Europe, England boycotting Scots goods, Scots banks will all move to London :lol: It was a good laugh whilst it lasted.
I can fully understand why you wish to forget it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I assume that you are referring to Lord Price - former Waitrose Managing Director and former Conservative international trade minister.

I do not think that the former Conservative trade minister is alone in his thinking.
Irn Bru stocks are already dangerously low in Scotland.