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I think LT is pretty much correct with his interpretation.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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I think LT is pretty much correct with his interpretation.
Totally agree with the above. But I feel that with some major tweaking it could be that, and better. I would rather we stayed in but also see it returned closer to a trading organisation. In its current form it is far too federalist and bureaucratic.
As for an EU army; a few years ago Putin said he feared a large single army on Russia’s border, when talking about the concept of an EU army. I’m not sure I would want to upset the balance of power. Equally, why does the EU need an army?
chrisd
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Do we need a referendum to decide whether we want another in/out referendum , and are we going for the best of 3 or 5 ?
jp5
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Suspect if we did have another referendum then it would be on specifics rather than vague unsubstantiated promises. Really the vote that should have been had in the first place.
Define the specifics though. Before the last referendum we had no idea of the terms of leaving, we still don't now. I don't see how it could have been anything other than a simple in or out. A referendum question has to be simple, it can not confuse.
jp5
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Can't boil down a complex arrangement to a simple question unfortunately! The referendum question was so naff that we've wasted two years arguing about interpretations of the result - of which there was just about every variety on both sides of the argument.
It looks unlikely we will strike a deal that will please *anyone*, though I suspect parliament would still rather take that than no deal which won't go down well.
So I would give the people a vote on what is actually on offer - for instance, no deal vs. rescind A.50. If a deal was struck that could be a third option with a preferential voting system. If the majority of people favour no deal that is what we should go with.
It looks unlikely we will strike a deal that will please *anyone*, though I suspect parliament would still rather take that than no deal which won't go down well.
So I would give the people a vote on what is actually on offer - for instance, no deal vs. rescind A.50. If a deal was struck that could be a third option with a preferential voting system. If the majority of people favour no deal that is what we should go with.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Compare and contrast Mr Rees-Mogg on Trump and Obama
Rees-Mogg on Obama on Brexit
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/barack-obama-brexit-rees-mogg-eu_uk_56f2799fe4b0f4c81e86f913
Rees-Mogg on Trump on Brexit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Mhokzv-jw
Mind you I could blame the current chaos on Mrs May for her not listening to the wise words of Mr Trump - who advised her how to do Brexit quickly and easily - and she just didn't accept his advice and went her own way. What did he advise her to do? - well - of course he couldn't possibly say - that's for Mrs May to tell us. And as we turn to Mrs May with curiosity written on our faces, Mrs May says 'thanks Donald'.
Rees-Mogg on Obama on Brexit
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/barack-obama-brexit-rees-mogg-eu_uk_56f2799fe4b0f4c81e86f913
Rees-Mogg on Trump on Brexit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Mhokzv-jw
Mind you I could blame the current chaos on Mrs May for her not listening to the wise words of Mr Trump - who advised her how to do Brexit quickly and easily - and she just didn't accept his advice and went her own way. What did he advise her to do? - well - of course he couldn't possibly say - that's for Mrs May to tell us. And as we turn to Mrs May with curiosity written on our faces, Mrs May says 'thanks Donald'.
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Fade and Die
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Get some help mate. Seriously, it’s not healthy.
SocketRocket
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No! The likes of you have, the rest of us were quite clear all along what we voted for and wanted.
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SocketRocket
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It was crystal clear: Leave the EU; Yes or NO.
Old Skier
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Seems he did the Sun interview for a laugh.
"[h=1]Donald Trump: US-UK trade deal 'absolutely possible[/h]
"[h=1]Donald Trump: US-UK trade deal 'absolutely possible[/h]
I wouldn't be surprised if he did another about face once he's back on U.S. soil.
Old Skier
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At least twice between now and Oct but someone on here likes to take every quote as fact even though he accuses the man of being a liar.
Strange really.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well whaddya know. Justin Greening proposing a further vote to unblock the deadlock as the Chequers Deal is rubbish. And in the face of much agreement that a No Deal would be disastrous - notwithstanding the confidence of some that a No Deal is the way to go and that things would be just fine after a short period of turbulence...not that too many who actually know about such things agree.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44840154
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44840154
chrisd
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Great Tory plan - bring out a naff White Paper that goes nowhere near the requirements of a proper Brexit as voted by the majority of voters, completely cock up the dealings so that they feel justified in requesting another vote and trust that enough voters are so fed up with the process that they change their minds and vote to remain, as is wanted by TM - do they think we're that stupid?
Take it as a 'no deal' and walk away - easy solution!
Take it as a 'no deal' and walk away - easy solution!
That may be the plan but there's an article just out on the Beeb site that says there's no appetite for a second vote, and little evidence that people have changed their mind.
I think the next couple of days, up to the summer recess on Wednesday will be very telling for May's plan. If she lasts till Wednesday, I think her plan will get through the Commons. Not sure what Barnier et al will make of it?
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TRESemme, no second vote coming up on Sky News breaking news
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No need for one... we are effectively staying in, although the Prime Minister is telling us we are not.
The Shadow Home Sec meanwhile is busy campaigning for a 5th Referendum......Tory Marginal MPs are busy updating their CVs.... and Mr Corbyn has been in talks with China for the delivery of 68 million "one size fits all" Peoples' Suits!
In other news, my lunchtime driving range bucket had a brand new Pro V1 in it! Kowabunga!
The Shadow Home Sec meanwhile is busy campaigning for a 5th Referendum......Tory Marginal MPs are busy updating their CVs.... and Mr Corbyn has been in talks with China for the delivery of 68 million "one size fits all" Peoples' Suits!
In other news, my lunchtime driving range bucket had a brand new Pro V1 in it! Kowabunga!
jp5
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No idea what you mean by "the likes of you" ... but evidently it wasn't that clear, else it would be done by now!
The prominent Leave Tories allowing May to become PM was one of their biggest mistakes. One of them should have taken on the mantle and delivered their vision of Brexit. If it were a success they would be PM for years to come.
This half-in half-out nonsense will please no-one, though TM will claim it carries the will of the people. If there were a vote on the final outcome I think "no deal" would win. But either way, there at least would be a mandate for what is implemented.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Staying in but worse off than if we actually stayed in - with notional ideas of having regained control and our sovereignty - how brilliant is that outcome...when we never really lost either - just that some told us we had and some of us really believed them and that regaining them would make all the difference. Well there you go.
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