SwingsitlikeHogan
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Democracy is a continuous process that allows the electorate to change it's mind.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Democracy is a continuous process that allows the electorate to change it's mind.
drdel
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British Social Attitude Survey reports 36%, an increase of 12%, of respondents want out of the EU.
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But that doesn't include people in charge never standing for election, or those elected, ignoring the outcome of a vote
ps - who (other than you) says the electorate has changed it's mind over Brexit? Last YouGov Survey reported folk were saying "get on with it!"
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Stockpiling food and medicines ahead of 29th March 2019 as contingency in event of No Deal. What? Fake News and Project Fear surely? Well it would have been if it had been said on 23rd June 2016. But no - it is the headline of today's Sun newspaper.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6747231/ministers-plan-to-stockpile-processed-food/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6747231/ministers-plan-to-stockpile-processed-food/
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I am not saying that they have changed their minds but democracy allows the electorate to change their minds.
We vote for a government once every 5 years. Our electoral system enables us to change our minds and vote in another party 5 years later. Once we are out of the EU the opportunity for the electorate to change it's mind vanishes - at least for decades.
How does this show Brussels that we are dead serious over No Deal - when preparation such as this for a No Deal implies a very difficult and chaotic outcome from a No Deal - and so surely something that we would avoid at almost any cost?
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We’ve had this discussion on democracy countless times. Enacting the result of the vote is democracy, ignoring it and continually voting on something till you get the answer YOU want absolutely isn’t democracy.
Enact the vote, then once every 5 years have another, fine.
I didn't put you down as a Sun reader to be honest, but that does explain a lot.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Not sure what it explains - are you suggesting something about Sun readers?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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So would you have business leaders running the negotiations?
In fact that was proposed by some Leave voters worried at having the Remainer May leading the way - as clearly businessmen would do a much better job at negotiating our terms of leaving.
But there would have been just a little problem with putting it in the hands of big business would there not...!
It just explains where you get your sensationalism from..
MegaSteve
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I'd sooner have had 'big business' make the opening approach on 'our' behalf rather than DaveCam…
They don't take prisoners and the UK remaining in is reasonably important to them...
And, I am fairly confident they'd have come away with some concessions...
DaveCams approach was along the lines of 'I am a winner' and I will get a remain vote out of it however small any concessions...
Doon frae Troon
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Yea, lets get folk like the guy who pulled the plug on BHS and it's staff pension in.
They seem to know a lot about making money [for themselves]
They seem to know a lot about making money [for themselves]
SwingsitlikeHogan
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and their shareholders...
drdel
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How can we mention democracy and EU in the same discussion. We do have an influence over our politicians but we have no say about Juncker, Barnier and rest of the mob. Even the member states/MEPs cannot bring forward legislation.
Those trying to appease the EU might consider that democracy would be increasingly consigned to history.
Those trying to appease the EU might consider that democracy would be increasingly consigned to history.
SocketRocket
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And shareholders making money on their investment is wrong because?
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You mean a bit like voting to go into Europe in 1975 then deciding to come out again in 2016 because it wasn't all it was cracked up to be?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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...and in his post NATO summit - when asked about Brexit - Trump tells the assembled press that Brexit happened because of immigration (yes he really did). Unless that was yet another of his lies...or just another example of his complete ignorance.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Wll yes - indeed - just like that.
Though 'not all it was cracked up to be' - well which bit 'wasn't all it was cracked up to be' as the UK seems to have done pretty well since the miserable days of the 1970s (and I remember them) when the UK economy was truly a 'basket case'.
Meanwhile in the HoC - more chaos in the house as session is suspended as the MPs were not in possession of a copy of the proposed Brexit Deal White Paper. Couldn't organise a.....in a ....
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We went into a trading organisation. It has morphed into something so much bigger and more intrusive than that. That expansion into people's lives is not what was sold, or cracked up to be.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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That's not what 'all that it was cracked up to be' means - that phrase is generally taken to mean that something was over-sold (Disappointed; failing to meet expectations)
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