Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
link please so that we know what you are referring to?
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My IT proficiency (or lack of) unable to do links using a tablet...

Anne Widdecombes maiden speech... Don't necessarily agree with her vernacular but her point is spot on... Bureaucracy likes to say JUMP whilst the electorate asks How high?... Not in my world...

And, before you reply with the obvious I've not yet been given opportunity to kick Westminster into touch...
 
The only sure way out of the EU now is to get Boris in, if he cant get us out on no-surender terms then to form an alliance with the Brexit party, call a General Election, get the Tory Remainers deselected and form a strong Brexit coalition Government that will have the majority to get us out and put Corbyn into extinction.
 
SocketRocket said:
The only sure way out of the EU now is to get Boris in, if he cant get us out on no-surender terms then to form an alliance with the Brexit party, call a General Election, get the Tory Remainers deselected and form a strong Brexit coalition Government that will have the majority to get us out and put Corbyn into extinction.
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Latest polls suggest he is doing that by himself.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1146524127160872960
 
SocketRocket said:
The only sure way out of the EU now is to get Boris in, if he cant get us out on no-surender terms then to form an alliance with the Brexit party, call a General Election, get the Tory Remainers deselected and form a strong Brexit coalition Government that will have the majority to get us out and put Corbyn into extinction.
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I think you should be aware of the very loaded meaning these two words together have in NI and parts of Scotland - especially Glasgow - and therefore maybe be a bit careful how and when you use them - unless you are fully aware and used this deliberately - as provocative as it is to some.
 
jp5 said:
Well you are, in fact our democratically elected prime minister negotiated a deal to leave. Then her party failed to ratify it. Hardly the EU's fault, that.
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This is probably one of the few areas where the Tories aren't solely to blame. "Her party" didn't have enough MPs to ratify the deal so even if they had all voted for it they still needed help from other parties. So probably fairer to say that parliament failed to ratify the deal.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I think you should be aware of the very loaded meaning these two words together have in NI and parts of Scotland - especially Glasgow - and therefore maybe be a bit careful how and when you use them - unless you are fully aware and used this deliberately - as provocative as it is to some.
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Stop being silly. Very few will understand the context you use this in. Trolling at its worst.
 
ColchesterFC said:
This is probably one of the few areas where the Tories aren't solely to blame. "Her party" didn't have enough MPs to ratify the deal so even if they had all voted for it they still needed help from other parties. So probably fairer to say that parliament failed to ratify the deal.
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Yes, should have said her party + the DUP.
 
Old Skier said:
Stop being silly. Very few will understand the context you use this in. Trolling at its worst.
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Silly? Trolling? Well I might suggest all should understand the context - because if you understand anything about Northern Ireland you will understand what No Surrender means and the political sensitivities and bigotry associated with it. However, if what you say is true - and I strongly suspect that to be the case - then that rather explains the casual insouciance and irritation many Leave voters express in respect of the NI/EU border issues and the 'Good Friday' Agreement.

Words matter so why were these specific words used in the post in the context they were (see also Widdecombe in her 'speech' yesterday - in the same 90secs of rant talking of slavery and oppression in the same breath as the EU and leaving - as thereby creating the association in the minds of those susceptible and inclined to look for it)

In both cases - one obviously far more important than the other - the words used were unnecessary to make the point.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Silly? trolling? Well I might suggest all should understand the context - because if you understand anything about Northern Ireland you will understand what No Surrender means and the political sensitivities and bigotry associated with it. However, if what you say is true - and I strongly suspect that to be the case - then that rather explains the casual insouciance and irritation many Leave voters express in respect of the NI/EU border issues and the 'Good Friday' Agreement.
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What a Snowflake response. You are looking to be offended.
You know damn well what I meant, leaving the EU without agreeing to a raft of conditions that tie us to them. Get over yourself man.
 
jp5 said:
Yes, should have said her party + the DUP.
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+ Labour. I don't think that the Lib Dems, Greens or SNP should be blamed for not ratifying it as they have been consistently for Remain but both Labour and Tories stood for election promising to respect the referendum result.

Having said that, the blame probably lies squarely with TM for negotiating such a bad deal and trying to get it through parliament.
 
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