Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

So should the tories and their supporters be asking why Peterborough is more of a disaster for them or deflecting on to the Labour MP? For all the worries about her, she’s not the reason they lost.

As for Labour and Brexit are you suggesting they should of just “sucked it up” and supported her deal?
The “6 Brexit Lines” were set out in 2017 before we knew the deal and were effectively ripped up when Corbyn offered to work with TM earlier this year.

TBH, I couldn't careless what the Tories and their supporters do. They are a busted flush as a govt, and maybe as a party too. Irrespective of who the party is, a hung Parliament is almost paralysed and the govt is unable to function. The UK needs a GE, even as unpalatable as that might be to an electorate feed up with politics without one it'll be Groundhog Day for some time to come.

Labour offered to drop its 6 points but only with a list of (5) other demands that they obviously knew would be unacceptable. The pretence at compromise was as bad as May's offer to work with Labour. Neither side shifted their position.

Are you happy with Labour's choice of MP for Peterborough? An anti-semite? We both know the answer to that question.

 

[Dando]

The idea that the E.U. would welcome in 27 more spongers after loosing one of its biggest contributors is laughable! 😂.... (seriously though mate, maybe get help,🤭)

He should try stand up with jokes like that 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

 

[Deleted member 16999]

TBH, I couldn't careless what the Tories and their supporters do. They are a busted flush as a govt, and maybe as a party too. Irrespective of who the party is, a hung Parliament is almost paralysed and the govt is unable to function. The UK needs a GE, even as unpalatable as that might be to an electorate feed up with politics without one it'll be Groundhog Day for some time to come.

Labour offered to drop its 6 points but only with a list of (5) other demands that they obviously knew would be unacceptable. The pretence at compromise was as bad as May's offer to work with Labour. Neither side shifted their position.

Are you happy with Labour's choice of MP for Peterborough? An anti-semite? We both know the answer to that question.

TM only offered to talk as a last resort because she had nowhere else to turn, these invitations should of happened prior to any negotiations and were no more than a publicity stunt imo.

As for Lisa Forbes, I’ve no idea tbh, I’ve seen the accusations and I’ve seen her apologise twice, maybe she should be given a chance and let the people of Peterborough sit in judgement.

 

[Hobbit]

TM only offered to talk as a last resort because she had nowhere else to turn, these invitations should of happened prior to any negotiations and were no more than a publicity stunt imo.

As for Lisa Forbes, I’ve no idea tbh, I’ve seen the accusations and I’ve seen her apologise twice, maybe she should be given a chance and let the people of Peterborough sit in judgement.

And there you go again, blaming the Tories and TM. You're right, they are to blame but where's the acknowledgement the Labour's appearance to work together was disingenuous. You only see one side of the coin.

And now you're making excuses for an anti-semite. She shouldn't have been selected in the first place, with those comments being public knowledge. Labour withdrew the Whip from a criminal and offered it to an anti-semite. She's apologised because she's been caught out. Do you think she's changed her mind on the subject, really?

Labour just keep giving where this subject is concerned.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And there you go again, blaming the Tories and TM. You're right, they are to blame but where's the acknowledgement the Labour's appearance to work together was disingenuous. You only see one side of the coin.

And now you're making excuses for an anti-semite. She shouldn't have been selected in the first place, with those comments being public knowledge. Labour withdrew the Whip from a criminal and offered it to an anti-semite. She's apologised because she's been caught out. Do you think she's changed her mind on the subject, really?

Labour just keep giving where this subject is concerned.

It’s only your opinion that Labour was being disingenuous by agreeing to the talks, that’s no different me having the opinion TM was forced in to making the offer, why didn’t she call his bluff when he offered after the 1st defeat rather than wait 4 months and until the last minute, you’re once again seeing any negative tory posts as pro Labour, I’d love Corbyn to be found out and gotten rid of.

Like I also said about Lisa Forbes, I’ve no idea, I’d never heard of her until the past couple of weeks and for all that was said against her, and she acknowledged, the people of Peterborough decided to elect her.

I don’t have enough knowledge to tell you what I think about anti-semitism and what is right or wrong, some of her actions were no more than her “liking” a video that had anti-semite comments attached, she put her side across and apologised.
People are now going back years and years researching people’s public posts to try and catch them out.
People change, attitudes change both negatively and postively.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The idea that the E.U. would welcome in 27 more spongers after loosing one of its biggest contributors is laughable! 😂.... (seriously though mate, maybe get help,🤭)

27 more.….where did that come from.
Scotland, and probably NI, will simply replace the UK

You are beginning to sound like the arrogant ex husband.
How are you gonna survive without me etc etc

Scotland will do just fine but perhaps you need to consider how what is left of the UK you will fit in with the new order..

 

[Fade and Die]

Maybe people criticise Labour so much because they feel let down by them? They are utterly failing at the one job they have, providing a credible opposition to the sitting government. When the nation is crying out for an alternative to this hopeless government, labour are moving further away from the common man, allowing momentum to dictate policy, marginalising good labour MPs like Kate hoey and Frank Field because they are not Marxists!

 

[Hobbit]

Maybe people criticise Labour so much because they feel let down by them? They are utterly failing at the one job they have, providing a credible opposition to the sitting government. When the nation is crying out for an alternative to this hopeless government, labour are moving further away from the common man, allowing momentum to dictate policy, marginalising good labour MPs like Kate hoey and Frank Field because they are not Marxists!

Labour have been there before and, in all probability, will swing back the other way when the electorate have had enough of the extremes. And when you look at what the Tories have done to social care, I hope its damn soon.

 

[Fade and Die]

27 more.….where did that come from.
Scotland, and probably NI, will simply replace the UK

You are beginning to sound like the arrogant ex husband.
How are you gonna survive without me etc etc

Scotland will do just fine but perhaps you need to consider how what is left of the UK you will fit in with the new order..

And you sound like a high maintenance ex wife wondering who her next sugar daddy will be, once the maintenance money doesn’t cover all the cheques the SNP will write... shamelessly lifting your skirt for the E.U.!😜

 

[Fade and Die]

Labour have been there before and, in all probability, will swing back the other way when the electorate have had enough of the extremes. And when you look at what the Tories have done to social care, I hope its damn soon.

I agree, they need a long time in opposition but with Comrade Corbyn and his shower waiting to fill the high offices of state the country will have to put up with them!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Maybe people criticise Labour so much because they feel let down by them? They are utterly failing at the one job they have, providing a credible opposition to the sitting government. When the nation is crying out for an alternative to this hopeless government, labour are moving further away from the common man, allowing momentum to dictate policy, marginalising good labour MPs like Kate hoey and Frank Field because they are not Marxists!

They aren’t though are they? They are moving away from the centre left of Blair, if anything it’s towards the common man, the problem with that is, is the common man isn’t there anymore, the workplace and society has changed.
Labour will remain a poor opposition so long as the Party is split.

 

[Fade and Die]

They aren’t though are they? They are moving away from the centre left of Blair, if anything it’s towards the common man, the problem with that is, is the common man isn’t there anymore, the workplace and society has changed.
Labour will remain a poor opposition so long as the Party is split.

Sadly true, it cannot appeal to both the metropolitan champagne socialists and the traditional labour voter in the north. Maybe they should split, ditch the corbynites and maybe get the Scots back inside?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sadly true, it cannot appeal to both the metropolitan champagne socialists and the traditional labour voter in the north. Maybe they should split, ditch the corbynites and maybe get the Scots back inside?

Labour in Scotland is a dead duck.
They chose the wrong option in 2014 and then joined a pact with the Tories in the 2017 election. They won't ever come back from there.
Three dreadful leaders on the trot. Murphy, Dugdale and Richard Wotsisname.

 

[MegaSteve]

You seem to be getting a bit 'over excited'.
The EU will welcome an Independent Scotland along side the other 27 independent countries.

I do not have a scooby what any of this has to do with Muslims and schools

Independent countries don't respond "how high" when Brussels shouts JUMP!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Independent countries don't respond "how high" when Brussels shouts JUMP!

That is true, the 27 independent countries work together to set the height of the bar.
Unlike the Tory government who do not seem to have any understanding of what 'working together' is.

 

[MegaSteve]

That is true, the 27 independent countries work together to set the height of the bar.

I believe that is known as #deluded... Don't believe there has ever been any collective thought in Brussels that has ever had any real value to 'ordinary man'...

 

[drdel]

That is true, the 27 independent countries work together to set the height of the bar.
Unlike the Tory government who do not seem to have any understanding of what 'working together' is.

I guess your experience of the workings in Brussels is not first hand. EU "...working together..." as in 'do what we say' NOT 'do as we do'. When did member states get to decide? Brussels pretty much always follows what the various Directorates dictate. The difference is exemplified by how Brussels constructs its own budget that exceeds the growth and/or debt limits imposed on the states.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I guess your experience of the workings in Brussels is not first hand. EU "...working together..." as in 'do what we say' NOT 'do as we do'. When did member states get to decide? Brussels pretty much always follows what the various Directorates dictate. The difference is exemplified by how Brussels constructs its own budget that exceeds the growth and/or debt limits imposed on the states.[

 

[Deleted member 1147]

....good labour MPs like Kate hoey and Frank Field...

🤣🤣

 

[Fade and Die]

🤣🤣

Roger Godsif and Lisa Forbes more your cup of tea Jim? 😮