Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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drdel said:
The margin was a bit below 700 voters: winning with about 30% (10484) of the votes cast. Considering that the numbers still voting Tory (7243) would contain both leave and remain voters its hardly a ringing endorsement of Labour. Thus almost twice as many did not vote for Labour 18,000.

It demonstrates that in our system there is a danger that the 'winner' could easily be one that the vast majority don't want. When the TBP and Tories divide opinions the chance that Mr Corbyn ends up as PM is increased.
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No complaints when it favours the tories though?
Nobody gave Labour a chance in Peterborough, especially given the circumstances surrounding this by-election, add in it was once a safe tory seat and the excuses being found and the sly digs being added already are once again looking like the tories and their supporters are looking for those excuses rather than facing facts.
 
pauldj42 said:
No complaints when it favours the tories though?
Nobody gave Labour a chance in Peterborough, especially given the circumstances surrounding this by-election, add in it was once a safe tory seat and the excuses being found and the sly digs being added already are once again looking like the tories and their supporters are looking for those excuses rather than facing facts.
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Agree with your first point, but have a look at how many times Peterborough has swapped Tory for Labour for Tory etc. Its considered a bellwether seat, usually flip-flopping between Labour and Tory. It usually tips towards the party in ascendancy, and is a fair indicator of who will be in power.
 
pauldj42 said:
No complaints when it favours the tories though?
Nobody gave Labour a chance in Peterborough, especially given the circumstances surrounding this by-election, add in it was once a safe tory seat and the excuses being found and the sly digs being added already are once again looking like the tories and their supporters are looking for those excuses rather than facing facts.
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I know the area and constituency quite well and it has not been a safe Conservative seat for many years.

Changed hands consistently over time.
 
MetalMickie said:
I know the area and constituency quite well and it has not been a safe Conservative seat for many years.

Changed hands consistently over time.
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Hobbit said:
Agree with your first point, but have a look at how many times Peterborough has swapped Tory for Labour for Tory etc. Its considered a bellwether seat, usually flip-flopping between Labour and Tory. It usually tips towards the party in ascendancy, and is a fair indicator of who will be in power.
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Tories had it from 2005-17, not the longest of periods, but lost it when the tories were in control.
That says more about them than Labour to me.
 
pauldj42 said:
Tories had it from 2005-17, not the longest of periods, but lost it when the tories were in control.
That says more about them than Labour to me.
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Also says something about the Boundary Commission tweaking of the constituency.
 
robinthehood said:
Ultimately humanity will have to come together on an unprecedented scale if it's to survive what ever global catastrophes come our way. And they will come .
So little Englanders running around screaming about brexit when we should be forming ever closer ties for the sake of future generations is sad.
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Why spoil an excellent first point with the second one? EU Federalism is nothing to do with the requirements of the first. It is about power not outcomes. We have the UN for the first point and outsourcing our government to Brussels has little to do with it!

But I guess the Federalists are using whatever they can to justify themselves...... climate change, shortages of toilet paper etc etc
 
Dan Snow [former front man for Lets Stay Together 2014] now in favour of an Independent Scotland within the EU.
Bit of a wind change there Dan.:unsure:

Meanwhile...…...Johnson and Rabb battle it out to be the last ever UK Tory MP.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Not so simple I think...……...Labour and Tory leave/remain vote would probably have cancelled each other out IMO.
That should have given the Leave parties a clear run and they still did to win.
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62% of Tories voted Leave, and 32% of Labour voted Leave. And you think in a marginal seat they cancel each other out? Guess you weren't an accountant...
 
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