Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[IanM]

Is signing up for the Sunningdale Day ok as "The end of the World" is happening by next summer? ....................... no petrol for the car, no food or meds..................... just checking before I send Glyn £25

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I think blaming the UK gap between the have's and have not's on the EU is beyond scraping the barrel, more like looking under it.
I would look a bit closer to home.

 

[Hobbit]

yes I can call them out - though you cannot lie about a prediction whereas you can lie about a fact. The £350m was a factual lie. Saying that Turkey was about to join the EU was a factual lie. Saying that you'd be in Berlin the day after a Leave vote to talk trade deals was a lie. A prediction of the need for an emergency budget and predictions in respect of employment etc were exaggerated predictions - they were not lies. Everybody understands that predictions have associated uncertainty - and can be exaggerated and can be wrong. Everybody also knows what a fact is; and that if you deliberately misrepresent a fact then you are lying.

But in truth what matters now is holding the government and lead Leavers to account on the lies that were perpetrated by the 'winning' side, as well as asking them to explain their predictions on how easy leaving would be - so on and so forth.

Sorry Hugh but I”m not letting you off with those lies. Osbourne was well and truly castigated by his own Treasury dept and the House of Commons Standards committee for lying. Not exaggerating or being creative with the truth, but lying.

I agree with you about many of the Leave lies, and the desire to hold this govt, is it really a govt, to task on delivering a favourable Brexit. But, once again, it’s you also being creative with the truth.

 

[IanM]

I think blaming the UK gap between the have's and have not's on the EU is beyond scraping the barrel, more like looking under it.
I would look a bit closer to home.

Econonics for numpties: Lesson 1 Tonight' homework:

i) What does an annual large influx of cheap labour do to unskilled wages in an economy? a) Drive them up or b) drive them down

ii) If 400,000 people join a queue? Does the queue get shorter or longer? Please show your working. Extra marks given for calling the indigenous working class "lazy" - unless you are a Tory, then marks are deducted for being an "uncaring snob!"

 

[User62651]

Is signing up for the Sunningdale Day ok as "The end of the World" is happening by next summer? ....................... no petrol for the car, no food or meds..................... just checking before I send Glyn £25

I think blaming the UK gap between the have's and have not's on the EU is beyond scraping the barrel, more like looking under it.
I would look a bit closer to home.

Likely find the EU gets blamed for everything percevied as wrong or underperforming in the UK even years after we've left, govt will want to divert blame from themselves and from the UK public upon whose votes they so rely. Politics is about self preservation. Seen it all before.

 

[MegaSteve]

Absolutely nothing to do with UK's membership of the EU imo! You'll be blaming UK's EU membership for every negative world event/situation pretty soon!

imo Brussels has favoured protecting the economies of Germany and France at the expense of rEU economies...
Now, I am guessing you'll disagree with that which is your prerogative...
That's how opinions work and how we'll not all vote in line with one another...
For the referendum, rightly or wrongly, the majority were in line with my views...

 

[IanM]

Likely find the EU gets blamed for everything percevied as wrong or underperforming in the UK even years after we've left, govt will want to divert blame from themselves and from the UK public upon whose votes they so rely. Politics is about self preservation. Seen it all before.

I've heard a very senior public sector employee say something very close to this...... if the buck stops with you...that the "oh pooh" moment!

 

[MegaSteve]

I would look a bit closer to home.

Only those north of the wall have been afforded the opportunity of kicking those shysters into touch...
I've only had the good fortune of having Brussels in my sights and there was no way I was going to miss the chance...

 

[Hobbit]

The EU ombudsman has given a damning verdict on the way Jean-Claude Juncker's chief of staff was given the top post in the bloc's civil service.
The promotion of Martin Selmayr, nicknamed "the monster" by his boss, was fast-tracked in February, in a move condemned by one Euro MP as a "coup".
Ombudsman Emily O'Reilly identified four counts of maladministration by the European Commission.

What does the ombudsman say?
In her scathing report, Emily O'Reilly pointed to several "issues of concern":
Mr Selmayr had not "recused himself" from decision-making that led to the deputy vacancy that he ultimately filled
The appointment procedure for the deputy role was carried out "to make Mr Selmayr eligible for his immediate reassignment as the new secretary-general"
The Commission reacted to valid concerns in an "evasive, defensive and legalistic manner".
She cited four instances of maladministration, including failing to avoid risking a conflict of interests, and warned that the sequence of events had placed the "wider legitimacy of the EU... at unnecessary risk".
The European Commission said it did not share all aspects of the report, but welcomed her decision not to contest the legality of the appointment.

Democracy in action.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Econonics for numpties: Lesson 1 Tonight' homework:

i) What does an annual large influx of cheap labour do to unskilled wages in an economy? a) Drive them up or b) drive them down

ii) If 400,000 people join a queue? Does the queue get shorter or longer? Please show your working. Extra marks given for calling the indigenous working class "lazy" - unless you are a Tory, then marks are deducted for being an "uncaring snob!"

What an arrogant post...….tonights homework for you, stop being so rude and angry and try to start acting like a decent human being.

BTW the shortage of any form of labour, cheap or expensive, for the Scottish soft fruit season has cost the businesses and the country millions.

 

[Foxholer]

imo Brussels has favoured protecting the economies of Germany and France at the expense of rEU economies...
Now, I am guessing you'll disagree with that which is your prerogative...
That's how opinions work and how we'll not all vote in line with one another...
For the referendum, rightly or wrongly, the majority were in line with my views...

At least that's a 'relevant opinion' unlike your previous rant!

I'm not in a position to refute your claim, though I'd suggest it has quite likely been influenced, or at least reinforced, by the anti-EU bias of popular newspapers.

 

[IanM]

What an arrogant post...….tonights homework for you, stop being so rude and angry and try to start acting like a decent human being.

BTW the shortage of any form of labour, cheap or expensive, for the Scottish soft fruit season has cost the businesses and the country millions.

Crikey, where’s your sense of humour gone? Especially given some of the remarks you’ve put on here about people with the audacity to disagree with you......

No chance a freak drought impacted fruit industry then? Unless there is no unemployment in Scotland, a labour shortage is fixable....

 

[Fade and Die]

That is what I do not understand about the 'we want our country back/UKIP/Tory activists'.
They actually seem happy to cause decades of financial hardship and uncertainty to every single family in the UK.
But for what reason/outcome ?

If any WWOCB/UKIP/Tory supporters on here can give me a sensible answer the that I would be obliged.

Well if you have a little think about why your chums the Scottish Nationalists want independence you will have your answer.

 

[Old Skier]

I think blaming the UK gap between the have's and have not's on the EU is beyond scraping the barrel, more like looking under it.
I would look a bit closer to home.

So as a have how close are you looking.

 

[Old Skier]

Well if you have a little think about why your chums the Scottish Nationalists want independence.

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Just a back door way out of the EU without having to be seen to be in line with the leave supporters.

 

[MegaSteve]

At least that's a 'relevant opinion' unlike your previous rant!

Hilarious its like being back at skool and being admonished by teacher...
It's a political thread on a golf forum its rant central...

I'm not in a position to refute your claim, though I'd suggest it has quite likely been influenced, or at least reinforced, by the anti-EU bias of popular newspapers.

Hilarious on so many levels but 8/10 on the judgemental scale...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Only those north of the wall have been afforded the opportunity of kicking those shysters into touch...
I've only had the good fortune of having Brussels in my sights and there was no way I was going to miss the chance...

You seem to have forgotten that Sturgeon offered Milliband her party's support to kick the Tories out of Westminster [on many occasions].
Milliband refused to accept Sturgeon's offer and foolishly went out of his way to denigrate the SNP, thus marginalising the Devo Max supporting Labour voters.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well if you have a little think about why your chums the Scottish Nationalists want independence you will have your answer.

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Good try, but a huge difference.
Scotland is an inclusive outgoing country the IWMCB lot are ultra exclusive and inward looking.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Sorry Hugh but I”m not letting you off with those lies. Osbourne was well and truly castigated by his own Treasury dept and the House of Commons Standards committee for lying. Not exaggerating or being creative with the truth, but lying.

I agree with you about many of the Leave lies, and the desire to hold this govt, is it really a govt, to task on delivering a favourable Brexit. But, once again, it’s you also being creative with the truth.

I'm not going to make excuses for Osborne - so if Osborne said that there would (not might) be an Emergency Budget if we voted to leave and if each of us would (not could) be £xxxx worse off immediately - then Osborne was lying (no great surprise for me there). Though as Leave told us that what Osborne said was simply Project Fear and not to be believed, I am not sure how many Remain voters actually believed either of these things would happen as Osborne said they would. But clearly some would have.

But to today - I am not sure that it really matters in practice what lies proponents of Remain might have said pre-vote - however I suggest that it matters much more what Leave said pre-vote - as those who voted to Leave might reasonably expect to come to pass what they were told and promised.

And it won't.

And those who made the promises will make all sorts of excuses; blame everyone else, and some will shamelessly disappear stage right.

 

[Mudball]

May be it’s only Remoaners who exists on Twitter.. but some of the responses are worth a read about people’s fear on Brexit. (leavers look away now). For the sake of the child, I hope we never come to this..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1037063987068841984