BREAKING NEWS: Rugby World Cup referee......

[Deleted member 16999]

So simple question - should it happen now after every single match ?

No Phil, because it's not practical as you don't have cameras and 80,000 people watching at the lical pitch.
In high pfofile games on the world stage, Yes absolutely, just like it should in every sport at that level, officials are human and as soon as the public realise mistakes happen without malice, there maybe more of an acceptance when it does.
Some agree with you, some disagree.
You're like a dog with a bone over some points recently, some will not see eye to eye on every subject.
The answer is YES and NO.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No Phil, because it's not practical as you don't have cameras and 80,000 people watching at the lical pitch.
In high pfofile games on the world stage, Yes absolutely, just like it should in every sport at that level, officials are human and as soon as the public realise mistakes happen without malice, there maybe more of an acceptance when it does.
Some agree with you, some disagree.
You're like a dog with a bone over some points recently, some will not see eye to eye on every subject.
The answer is YES and NO.

So any televised game the governing body should come out afterwards and say where the ref got mistakes wrong ? No more leaving it on the field and respecting any decision the ref makes ( as has happened for over 40 years plus in Rugby )

In Rugby the public have always realised mistakes happen - Rugby fans have always accepted mistakes happen even in the biggest games in the world. There was never any need for anyone to come out because it was left on the field. Has that all changed now because of a number of ex Professional Rugby players ( a number getting the rules about TMO very wrong ) coming out and slating the ref and then the media leaping on to it ?

 

[Baldy Bouncer]

I would suggest that people should ignore most of what`s written on social media as BS and then there wouldn`t be such an "hysterical outcry".

People like fanning flames for as long as they can, even on non stories.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It's sport, it happens.

I seem to recall a Scots v Wales fitba game where a Scots hand was involved in a crucial goal.

Some you win some you lose.....one thing about that brilliant game of rugby is that I will never forget it.

 

[sawtooth]

Better to leave it go now and it'll be remembered as the game that Scotland could've, should've won if it wasn't for the referee.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So any televised game the governing body should come out afterwards and say where the ref got mistakes wrong ? No more leaving it on the field and respecting any decision the ref makes ( as has happened for over 40 years plus in Rugby )

In Rugby the public have always realised mistakes happen - Rugby fans have always accepted mistakes happen even in the biggest games in the world. There was never any need for anyone to come out because it was left on the field. Has that all changed now because of a number of ex Professional Rugby players ( a number getting the rules about TMO very wrong ) coming out and slating the ref and then the media leaping on to it ?

Like I said Yes and No, look at the 2 matches Eng V Wales & Scot v Aus,
The English players know they weren't good enough and made bad decisions and they have to live with that, the Scottish players were tremendous did everything they could and someone else made that bad decision, they can live with themselves knowing they were robbed, no doubting themselves, the Referee has took away the chance for ever of some of them players ever reaching that level again.
You keep blaming ex-pro's and the media, guess what Phil, they were correct, fact! It was the wrong call and good on the authorities for admitting it, din't worry sometimes they'll back the official.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Like I said Yes and No, look at the 2 matches Eng V Wales & Scot v Aus,
The English players know they weren't good enough and made bad decisions and they have to live with that, the Scottish players were tremendous did everything they could and someone else made that bad decision, they can live with themselves knowing they were robbed, no doubting themselves, the Referee has took away the chance for ever of some of them players ever reaching that level again.
You keep blaming ex-pro's and the media, guess what Phil, they were correct, fact! It was the wrong call and good on the authorities for admitting it, din't worry sometimes they'll back the official.

First of all - The England match has no relevant and not the discussion point

Second Point - the penalty which took numerous replays to decide who the ball came off ( some it appears still not 100% sure exactly who it came off last ) came from a poor Scotland line out - the decision to award penalty isnt that scandalous - its a judgement call and could have been a penalty or a scrum to Australia. There has been worse desicions in big games that have cost teams but the reaction from ex pros and media etc has been poor and its not what normally happens within Rugby - people accept that refs make the wrong calls at times and it was left on the field. Sorry but Scotland had 80 mins to win the game and understand there are other decisions within the match that could have gone either way and indeed one went for Scotland for one of their tries but its left on the field.

Its now the main talking point in the news - it hasnt defused the situation its made it worse.

The thing that Joubert did which was wrong and he should have to explain is the running off the field - that needs to be explained why he did that but awarding a penalty instead of a scrum on a judgement call on a split second seeing without the ability to use TMO ( which some ex pros cant seem to understand ) - sorry but thats not scandalous at all and part of the game and should be left when the whistle goes - as it always has been in the past.

A precedent has now been set where any team who feel they have had an incorrect descision go against them will expect the governing body to come out and let them know the ref got it wrong.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

First of all - The England match has no relevant and not the discussion point

Second Point - the penalty which took numerous replays to decide who the ball came off ( some it appears still not 100% sure exactly who it came off last ) came from a poor Scotland line out - the decision to award penalty isnt that scandalous - its a judgement call and could have been a penalty or a scrum to Australia. There has been worse desicions in big games that have cost teams but the reaction from ex pros and media etc has been poor and its not what normally happens within Rugby - people accept that refs make the wrong calls at times and it was left on the field. Sorry but Scotland had 80 mins to win the game and understand there are other decisions within the match that could have gone either way and indeed one went for Scotland for one of their tries but its left on the field.

Its now the main talking point in the news - it hasnt defused the situation its made it worse.

The thing that Joubert did which was wrong and he should have to explain is the running off the field - that needs to be explained why he did that but awarding a penalty instead of a scrum on a judgement call on a split second seeing without the ability to use TMO ( which some ex pros cant seem to understand ) - sorry but thats not scandalous at all and part of the game and should be left when the whistle goes - as it always has been in the past.

A precedent has now been set where any team who feel they have had an incorrect descision go against them will expect the governing body to come out and let them know the ref got it wrong.

I'm out, as once again it's your way or no way,

 

[Slab]

It's 2015 Phil, you simply cannot expect you & the officials to be the only parties to wish to 'leave it on the field' because its traditional

The governing body accepted obligations to far more parties when they chose to have their event televised round the globe and be paid handsomely for it and if some small part of those obligations mean they should acknowledge an mistake occurred at a crucial/pivotal moment in one of their games then so be it

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's sport, it happens.

I seem to recall a Scots v Wales fitba game where a Scots hand was involved in a crucial goal.

Some you win some you lose.....one thing about that brilliant game of rugby is that I will never forget it.

Doon - we won 2-0 - I was there...

Now if it had been 0-0 and JJ had played volleyball in the last minute then OK...

 

[Foxholer]

So does it happen for every match or just when there is an outcry of injustice ?

Are fans now going to demand that they speak up

As Dallaligo and Nicol said tonight on 5 Live - Rugby has just let itself down by not respecting the tradition that it all stays on the pitch - the line has been crossed now and it's a slippery road downhill

That 'line' was crossed quite a long time ago - when citing was introduced!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That 'line' was crossed quite a long time ago - when citing was introduced!

Is the Aussie who late-barged Hogg getting cited?

 

[Foxholer]

Is the Aussie who late-barged Hogg getting cited?

The Citing Commissioner would have looked at that incident. The fact that no further action was taken indicates it was not deemed sufficient to cite! The TMO was quite capable of checking it as well - for the same reason as Maitland's knock-on (which was extremely harsh imo).

 

[sev112]

Interesting that no one remembering the missed Aussie knock on in their first try - scrum half dropped the ball forward and ref didn't see it

I'm sure there must have been more as well.