BREAKING NEWS: Rugby World Cup referee......

[Val]

Absolutely.
Anyone would think it's the first sports fixture to be decided by a refereeing mistake....

Happens half a dozen times every weekend in football.

Not the first one decided by him though, he's incompetent. I wouldn't call for him to never referee again but he certainly shouldn't referee at the top level, i'd like to think after this howler his RWC is as far behind him as Scotlands is.

 

[c1973]

How he left the field could be for a number of reasons and no one knows that

But the comments all over social media and the comment from the World Rugby is in regards the penalty call - even being called a cheat

Phil. He should have shown the players the respect that he would expect from them and stay on the field and shake hands with them.

It was disrespectful imo and deserving of negative comment.

No doubt we could debate that he desperately needed the khazi or that he feared for his safety or he left the iron on or he has a phobia about shaking hands or he wanted to beat the traffic, but I won't. It was disrespectful imo, and for me that's all there is to it. :thup:

 

[Val]

Don't blame the ref blame the man that couldn't throw the ball to a team mate at the lineout.

I don't know the percentage but most teams have a very high percentage of completions at the lineout.

Ive said it before Tony, the line out farce is not the issue, the issue is the ref got the call wrong which changed the course of the game.

I agree Scotland should have got the line out right and we wouldn't be talking this way but you still expect a ref to get his game right.

 

[bladeplayer]

Sure what could he do ? he has no interest in whoever wins , he called it as he saw it a full speed at eye level . he couldn't go to TMO ,maybe an option of consulting the linesman on what he saw & was it pen or scrum it could have bought him some thinking time , wrong call BUT genuine mistake ..

Running off the field was a very poor thing to do & disrespectful in my opinion , players show officials respect so it should be the other way around..

Genuinely gutted for them tho.. but sloppy play contributed to the problem ..

Control the line out & ................... sound familiar ??

Big thing for me , Shoulda been a Pen for late challenge & then the line out would have been much further down the pitch

 

[FairwayDodger]

Absolutely brilliant that the Rugby authorities have been open and honest enough to put this statement out. Fantastic - football associations could learn a lot from it rather than defending the indefensible with some of the dodgy refereeing decisions out there.

Nobody is arguing the result shouldn't stand but this is a brilliant and mature contribution to the debate.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil. He should have shown the players the respect that he would expect from them and stay on the field and shake hands with them.

It was disrespectful imo and deserving of negative comment.

No doubt we could debate that he desperately needed the khazi or that he feared for his safety or he left the iron on or he has a phobia about shaking hands or he wanted to beat the traffic, but I won't. It was disrespectful imo, and for me that's all there is to it. :thup:

And that's been discussed elsewhere in the other thread

This is about the desicion to award the penalty which his governing body have thrown him under the bus for.

What he did after is irrelevant in the subject

It certainly is a discussion point elsewhere but will certainly need to hear why he left the field before he is hung out to dry

Even then it's not rugby to have open season on him

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Absolutely brilliant that the Rugby authorities have been open and honest enough to put this statement out. Fantastic - football associations could learn a lot from it rather than defending the indefensible with some of the dodgy refereeing decisions out there.

Nobody is arguing the result shouldn't stand but this is a brilliant and mature contribution to the debate.

And the ref now feels let down after making a honest judged based on what he saw in quick time - other refs have come out and said that it was a tight call to make.

I can't see how throwing a ref to the wolves helps anything - even more so when it's far from the worst mistake that has been seen

The media and social media reaction forced this and it's a disturbing turn of events

Imagine how a ref feels now knowing that if he makes a genuine error in a game instead of it staying on the pitch - the mass reaction forces his governing body to say he was wrong ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Absolutely brilliant that the Rugby authorities have been open and honest enough to put this statement out. Fantastic - football associations could learn a lot from it rather than defending the indefensible with some of the dodgy refereeing decisions out there.

Nobody is arguing the result shouldn't stand but this is a brilliant and mature contribution to the debate.

I have to laugh when we hold Rugby up as a beacon of sportsmanship and shining example against football, just don't mention drug use though.

 

[c1973]

And that's been discussed elsewhere in the other thread

This is about the desicion to award the penalty which his governing body have thrown him under the bus for.

What he did after is irrelevant in the subject

It certainly is a discussion point elsewhere but will certainly need to hear why he left the field before he is hung out to dry

Even then it's not rugby to have open season on him

Indeed.

But my comment was about clarifying the comments on him being called a disgrace were for leaving the field, not for the decis..............ach, it don't matter.


Don't folks have open season on a certain Welsh referee from time to time?


Bring on the Six Nations.

 

[FairwayDodger]

And the ref now feels let down after making a honest judged based on what he saw in quick time - other refs have come out and said that it was a tight call to make.

I can't see how throwing a ref to the wolves helps anything - even more so when it's far from the worst mistake that has been seen

The media and social media reaction forced this and it's a disturbing turn of events

Imagine how a ref feels now knowing that if he makes a genuine error in a game instead of it staying on the pitch - the mass reaction forces his governing body to say he was wrong ?

Joubert "could not refer to the television match official (TMO) in this case and therefore had to rely on what he saw in real time".

"Despite this experience, Craig has been and remains a world-class referee and an important member of our team."

Hardly throwing him to the wolves.

He made a mistake, understandable human error, that directly changed the outcome of a world cup quarter final. Absolutely fantastic that the rugby authorities are not trying to ignore or obscure that fact.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I have to laugh when we hold Rugby up as a beacon of sportsmanship and shining example against football, just don't mention drug use though.

Me too usually, thought that even as I wrote that post.

I greatly prefer football fans to rugger buggers as well, not that either are particularly appealing.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hardly throwing him to the wolves.

He made a mistake, understandable human error, that directly changed the outcome of a world cup quarter final. Absolutely fantastic that the rugby authorities are not trying to ignore or obscure that fact.

And mistakes have been made before that have costs countries bigger than a semi final yet there hasn't been the need to comment

Rugby fans and people respected that and it stayed on the field and there was no hysterical reactions in the media and on social media - that's all changed now

Do we now expect the governing bodies to come out and inform everyone when a ref makes a mistake ? Has the precedent been set now

If he made an understandable human mistake why was that not respected as has always been the case in rugby and left on the field ? Instead of the outcry of injustice to hysterical levels that has been seen

 

[pokerjoke]

Hardly throwing him to the wolves.

He made a mistake, understandable human error, that directly changed the outcome of a world cup quarter final. Absolutely fantastic that the rugby authorities are not trying to ignore or obscure that fact.

Spot on I read it properly too.

Some people just add there own words

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Me too usually, thought that even as I wrote that post.

I greatly prefer football fans to rugger buggers as well, not that either are particularly appealing.

No doubt the decision, in hindsight, cost Scotland the win, but we have to remember the tmo was brought in to help Referees, if the officials were 100% correct there would be no need for trial by television, he made the decision he thought was correct, in any sport this analyse by TV is wrong, haven't we had Golfers punished because some watching TV 5000 miles away spotted an infringment!

 

[FairwayDodger]

And mistakes have been made before that have costs countries bigger than a semi final yet there hasn't been the need to comment

Rugby fans and people respected that and it stayed on the field and there was no hysterical reactions in the media and on social media - that's all changed now

Do we now expect the governing bodies to come out and inform everyone when a ref makes a mistake ? Has the precedent been set now

If he made an understandable human mistake why was that not respected as has always been the case in rugby and left on the field ? Instead of the outcry of injustice to hysterical levels that has been seen

Some decisions are clearly highly controversial and pivotal. This was one of them. In my opinion, by coming out like this they have actually defused the situation and it will now quickly be forgotten as we (well the southern hemisphere) look forward to the semis.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Indeed.

But my comment was about clarifying the comments on him being called a disgrace were for leaving the field, not for the decis..............ach, it don't matter.


Don't folks have open season on a certain Welsh referee from time to time?


Bring on the Six Nations.

Here is what they said about him leaving

Suggestions of a bottle being thrown ?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34572066

 

[Val]

And the ref now feels let down after making a honest judged based on what he saw in quick time - other refs have come out and said that it was a tight call to make.

I can't see how throwing a ref to the wolves helps anything - even more so when it's far from the worst mistake that has been seen

The media and social media reaction forced this and it's a disturbing turn of events

Imagine how a ref feels now knowing that if he makes a genuine error in a game instead of it staying on the pitch - the mass reaction forces his governing body to say he was wrong ?

Maybe the referee was happy for this to be known after his post match debrief?

 

[FairwayDodger]

No doubt the decision, in hindsight, cost Scotland the win, but we have to remember the tmo was brought in to help Referees, if the officials were 100% correct there would be no need for trial by television, he made the decision he thought was correct, in any sport this analyse by TV is wrong, haven't we had Golfers punished because some watching TV 5000 miles away spotted an infringment!

But the whole world can see the TV footage and draw their own conclusion. I think it fantastic that the authorities have not tried to hide in the face of the evidence everyone had already seen.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Some decisions are clearly highly controversial and pivotal. This was one of them. In my opinion, by coming out like this they have actually defused the situation and it will now quickly be forgotten as we (well the southern hemisphere) look forward to the semis.

But there has been bigger and more pivotal contraversial decisions over the years but nothing has been said

Don't think they have defused it all - think they have made it worse and now the demands for them to speak up after every game are going to increase - a precedent has now been set and people will expect them to call refs desicion wrong when it changes a match

Listening to 5live on the way home and reading Twitter etc has just intensified the debate

 

[upsidedown]

But the whole world can see the TV footage and draw their own conclusion. I think it fantastic that the authorities have not tried to hide in the face of the evidence everyone had already seen.

I agree it is rather refreshing .