BREAKING NEWS: Rugby World Cup referee......

[c1973]

Has anyone seen this bottle being thrown? Evidence? I certainly never witnessed it prior to him sprinting off the park.

 

[FairwayDodger]

But there has been bigger and more pivotal contraversial decisions over the years but nothing has been said

Don't think they have defused it all - think they have made it worse and now the demands for them to speak up after every game are going to increase - a precedent has now been set and people will expect them to call refs desicion wrong when it changes a match

Listening to 5live on the way home and reading Twitter etc has just intensified the debate

Nothing wrong with trying something new.

I think this is a great move. You don't. C'est la vie.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But the whole world can see the TV footage and draw their own conclusion. I think it fantastic that the authorities have not tried to hide in the face of the evidence everyone had already seen.

Happy for the authorities to be honest, but were do you draw the line, this one cost Scotland the match because it happened at the end, if it had happened in the first 90 seconds and the result finished the same, do you think the authorities would've made this statement or the fans so annoyed?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Happy for the authorities to be honest, but were do you draw the line, this one cost Scotland the match because it happened at the end, if it had happened in the first 90 seconds and the result finished the same, do you think the authorities would've made this statement or the fans so annoyed?

No, not at all. As I said, some decisions are particularly controversial and/or pivotal to the outcome. It's always going to be a judgement call if/when to make a statement like this but brilliant that, in some circumstances, they are prepared to do so.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Has anyone seen this bottle being thrown? Evidence? I certainly never witnessed it prior to him sprinting off the park.

No idea just saying what the article says

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nothing wrong with trying something new.

I think this is a great move. You don't. C'est la vie.

So does it happen for every match or just when there is an outcry of injustice ?

Are fans now going to demand that they speak up

As Dallaligo and Nicol said tonight on 5 Live - Rugby has just let itself down by not respecting the tradition that it all stays on the pitch - the line has been crossed now and it's a slippery road downhill

 

[FairwayDodger]

So does it happen for every match or just when there is an outcry of injustice ?

Are fans now going to demand that they speak up

As Dallaligo and Nicol said tonight on 5 Live - Rugby has just let itself down by not respecting the tradition that it all stays on the pitch - the line has been crossed now and it's a slippery road downhill

Tradition is not always a good thing. Better respect the fans than tradition.

C'est la vie. :thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So does it happen for every match or just when there is an outcry of injustice ?

Are fans now going to demand that they speak up

As Dallaligo and Nicol said tonight on 5 Live - Rugby has just let itself down by not respecting the tradition that it all stays on the pitch - the line has been crossed now and it's a slippery road downhill

But in all honesty Phil, I think they are being a bit naive, keep an eye on the semi-finals, it was mentioned the other day about players questioning decisions when it was always the Captain only, I think the days of Rugby traditions are eroding away and some prefer to deny it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Tradition is not always a good thing. Better respect the fans than tradition.

C'est la vie. :thup:

The Fans have always been respected in Rugby and Rugby fans have always shown respect and whilst being disappointed that games don't go their way have left the descisions on the pitch where they belong and it's something that held Rugby and their fans higher than other sports - until now.

 

[Val]

But in all honesty Phil, I think they are being a bit naive, keep an eye on the semi-finals, it was mentioned the other day about players questioning decisions when it was always the Captain only, I think the days of Rugby traditions are eroding away and some prefer to deny it.

If you watch Gordy Reid as Joubert makes the decision he asks Laidlaw to question it and to look at the replay. Joubert didn't need the TMO to overturn the decision he could have done it himself i believe, you see Laidlaw asking him to look at the big screen, thats respect from the players. Im not saying they all do it as POC chinned the ref all the time for Munster despite not being captain.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But in all honesty Phil, I think they are being a bit naive, keep an eye on the semi-finals, it was mentioned the other day about players questioning decisions when it was always the Captain only, I think the days of Rugby traditions are eroding away and some prefer to deny it.

Captains are still the ones who will speak to the ref

Perfect example was in the game with NZ and France - a French player was about to say something and then realised and just walked away meakly

I haven't seen too many instances of players questioning the ref

But I did see a player dive and make a meal of a challenge so maybe things are going the way of football

 

[HomerJSimpson]

But in all honesty Phil, I think they are being a bit naive, keep an eye on the semi-finals, it was mentioned the other day about players questioning decisions when it was always the Captain only, I think the days of Rugby traditions are eroding away and some prefer to deny it.

It has been evident. Didn't the ref tell one of the SA players to "concentrate on playing and not talking". It's happening and will carry on. In the light of the OP's link I don't see it as the ref being hung out to dry at all and think it's good they've come out and said that the referee made a mistake albeit an understandable one. Where do you draw that line? You can't send every passage of play to the TMO or it becomes nothing more than American Football without the helmets and you have to allow the refs to referee and know they are doing the best they can all the time in what is becoming a faster and faster sport

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you watch Gordy Reid as Joubert makes the decision he asks Laidlaw to question it and to look at the replay. Joubert didn't need the TMO to overturn the decision he could have done it himself i believe, you see Laidlaw asking him to look at the big screen, thats respect from the players. Im not saying they all do it as POC chinned the ref all the time for Munster despite not being captain.

Joubert isn't allowed to reverse the decision based on a television replay in the stadium - not allowed to be influenced by a television replay - and Laidlaw shouldn't ask him to look at the replay when he can't ,they were discussing that exact thing tonight and mentioning that television directors not to show replays unless it's with the TMO

He can change based on what his touch judges say

 

[Val]

The Fans have always been respected in Rugby and Rugby fans have always shown respect and whilst being disappointed that games don't go their way have left the descisions on the pitch where they belong and it's something that held Rugby and their fans higher than other sports - until now.

Phil, it doesn't matter how many times you say it people will still disagree.

World Rugby made a brave move doing it and I commend them for it, it doesn't change a thing in that game though, it doesn't make us Scotland fans feel better and all it does is shows that World Rugby are happy to say when their men got it wrong rather than hiding under a stone and letting it fizz out. Yes refs are human and I get that, is this an honest mistake from Joubert? Probably but because he has previous for favouring the "big team" people will always question him when he makes a wrong crucial call.

 

[Spuddy]

But there has been bigger and more pivotal contraversial decisions over the years but nothing has been said

Don't think they have defused it all - think they have made it worse and now the demands for them to speak up after every game are going to increase - a precedent has now been set and people will expect them to call refs desicion wrong when it changes a match

Listening to 5live on the way home and reading Twitter etc has just intensified the debate

Of course there have poor decisions before that have called out at the time. Remember the last world cup final? I wonder who the ref was then......

Granted, the noises are probably louder now with social media expansion

 

[Val]

Joubert isn't allowed to reverse the decision based on a television replay in the stadium - not allowed to be influenced by a television replay - and Laidlaw shouldn't ask him to look at the replay when he can't ,they were discussing that exact thing tonight and mentioning that television directors not to show replays unless it's with the TMO

He can change based on what his touch judges say

Wasn't aware of that.

 

[Val]

Captains are still the ones who will speak to the ref

Perfect example was in the game with NZ and France - a French player was about to say something and then realised and just walked away meakly

I haven't seen too many instances of players questioning the ref

But I did see a player dive and make a meal of a challenge so maybe things are going the way of football

Maybe not

http://www.skysports.com/rugby-unio...gg-makes-diving-promise-after-referees-rebuke

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Phil, it doesn't matter how many times you say it people will still disagree.

World Rugby made a brave move doing it and I commend them for it, it doesn't change a thing in that game though, it doesn't make us Scotland fans feel better and all it does is shows that World Rugby are happy to say when their men got it wrong rather than hiding under a stone and letting it fizz out. Yes refs are human and I get that, is this an honest mistake from Joubert? Probably but because he has previous for favouring the "big team" people will always question him when he makes a wrong crucial call.

Very good point although with his increasing number of these wrong calls you wonder how many of these show piece games he'll get going forward

 

[pokerjoke]

Captains are still the ones who will speak to the ref

Perfect example was in the game with NZ and France - a French player was about to say something and then realised and just walked away meakly

I haven't seen too many instances of players questioning the ref

Nor me,I thought the Scottish boys showed the utmost respect to the official through the whole game and imo the respect is definitely still there.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, it doesn't matter how many times you say it people will still disagree.

World Rugby made a brave move doing it and I commend them for it, it doesn't change a thing in that game though, it doesn't make us Scotland fans feel better and all it does is shows that World Rugby are happy to say when their men got it wrong rather than hiding under a stone and letting it fizz out. Yes refs are human and I get that, is this an honest mistake from Joubert? Probably but because he has previous for favouring the "big team" people will always question him when he makes a wrong crucial call.

So now you question the integrity of the referee - this has happened because of the reaction of both the Scottish captain , coach and fans - the World Rugby wouldn't need to say anything if the desicion was respected as it normally has been - it's changed now and now it will just get worse , anytime a desicion happens that effects a game there will be the hysterical outcry and demands for public outing of the ref and there will now be an expectation for the RFU etc to comment on the descisions.

I don't see how that's a brave thing to do as it sets a dangerous precedent and I wonder if the feeling would be the same if it was an English desicion