BLM protests/ Riots.

[Hacker Khan]

OK, the "racist grandads" line is a cheap dig, probably ill-advised but it amused me. Maybe should have held it in reserve for a more light-hearted post.

As for polarisation - that is where we are I'm afraid. I refuse to "both sides" an issue where the right side is obvious and the wrong so heinous. But I am prepared to have a more nuanced discussion provided I believe people are doing so in good faith.

Hence the last paragraph. I completely agree with you which was why I so carefully worded a point I've tried and failed to make on here for days now. Which is the extent to which a number of posters on here are critical of BLM without any support or even mention of the issues they are raising does risk a rush to judgement about the motivations of those posters. I'd ask people to try and take a more balanced line when criticising people protesting about issues they face in their lives that some of us never have and never will have to deal with.

I laughed. But then again as I have a sense of humour and I'm not a racist grandad, maybe I was exhibiting non-racist grandad privilege. It's so confusing nowadays.

 

[SocketRocket]

It’s a really clumsy tool, but I’m not sure if there’s a better one. It’s the easiest way to equalise an equal opportunities policy.

But isnt it racist by definition, it suggests that someone with a particular skin colour is less capable of understanding diversity in society and by excluding people by birth or colour is wrong. Educating the mindset that skin colour and race have no bearing on intelligence or ability has to be the solution and it's the selection panel that need educating first.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It's not a level playing field if you advertise for a black candidate though, or even a BAME one. It's a job. It should be for the best candidate, irrespective of any other consideration.

Unfortunately real life hasn’t been like that for years, it was one of the reasons Positive Discrimination was brought in.
Many women, black people etc who were the best candidate were denied the opportunity based on the fact they either a woman or black.

 

[User20205]

But isnt it racist by definition, it suggests that someone with a particular skin colour is less capable of understanding diversity in society and by excluding people by birth or colour is wrong. Educating the mindset that skin colour and race have no bearing on intelligence or ability has to be the solution and it's the selection panel that need educating first.

Yep. 100%. Positive short lists, the Rooney rule etc are a really clumsy tool until what you outline happens

 

[User20205]

Aparently I'm a racist old man, or so I have been labled by someone who doesnt know me and cant even give a valid reason for saying it.

Taking your own words Kaz 'I'd ask people to try and take a more balanced line when criticising people'

I saw that & the poster is wrong & I hope they apologise accordingly. If I was forced into a label (which I haven’t been) I’d use conservative

 

[Pathetic Shark]

Yep. 100%. Positive short lists, the Rooney rule etc are a really clumsy tool until what you outline happens

Having been involved in the NFL for nearly 40 years, I understood why the Rooney rule (named after the former owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers) was brought in but I do not like it nor do many players/coaches/officials in the league. And I have heard the "why aren't there more black quarterbacks in the league" argument too many times - the simple reply is "how come 98% of the defensive backs are black?" "Why aren't there more Asian kickers?"

Minorities find themselves being interviewed just for the box ticking it does before appointing someone else more qualified and suited for the job. This has happened many times in the NFL in the last 25 years. When the Cowboys were going to promote Jason Garrett from an interim role several years ago, they had to go through the farce of interviewing another coach who also thought it was a joke, before giving Garrett the role.

 

[SocketRocket]

This whole disastrous exchange came from an attempt at balance rather than jumping to conclusions about people. There are a number of posters who are only criticising BLM with no indication of whether they oppose racism or not. I'm asking those people if they are posting in good faith to make that a little more apparent if they are actually looking for a discussion.

I haven't called you a racist, nor do I think you are, but if someone reading your posts drew that conclusion maybe you should think about why they might get that idea? Consider that maybe they see some but not all of your posts?

Before I defend the "racist grandads" quip again can I ask you if you've actually read the post in which I used it? If you have that is a willful misrepresentation of it.

I think they drew the conclusion to create insult.

Yes I read your post and it was probably the one in the
Iine of similar posts that encouraged me to respond to what I saw as a trend towards inverted predjudice.

 

[SocketRocket]

I saw that & the poster is wrong & I hope they apologise accordingly. If I was forced into a label (which I haven’t been) I’d use conservative

Conservatives OK but Well Preserved Conservatives better ?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Conservatives OK but Well Preserved Conservatives better ?

Pickled? ??

 

[drdel]

It was a light-hearted quip used to describe the plethora of old-looking guys causing trouble and generally being racist in London this weekend. And as it has completely distracted from the serious point I was trying to make I can assure you I deeply regret it. But I promise, I am definitely not prejudiced against grandads!

OK. Do you know for a fact that the guys were old and the only ones causing trouble also do you also have evidence they were racists.

I would suggest it was a mob being obnoxious and acting illegally.

The cops need to ensure even handed treatment of all protester. Showing deference to one side or other is a worry and politicises the Police.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

OK. Do you know for a fact that the guys were old and the only ones causing trouble also do you also have evidence they were racists.

I would suggest it was a mob being obnoxious and acting illegally.

The cops need to ensure even handed treatment of all protester. Showing deference to one side or other is a worry and politicises the Police.

This one had just popped out for a paper and has hair!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271940253927067648

 

[Fade and Die]

It was a joke, at the expense of the id politics crew

Hence the big smilie

was hopeful of getting a load of hairy virtue signallers jumping to my defense.

I know that mate, my whole post #879 was tongue in cheek.... I’m just glad I didn’t describe them as Fatties, I’d have been Black balled by now!

 

[spongebob59]

This one had just popped out for a paper and has hair!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271940253927067648

At least he had sense to ditch the KKK outfit

 

[Fade and Die]

This one had just popped out for a paper and has hair!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271940253927067648

Black Trans Lives Matter? Jeez you don’t half follow some odd uns!

 

[SocketRocket]

Pickled? ??

More, well bodied ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Black Trans Lives Matter? Jeez you don’t half follow some odd uns!

Wait untill next weekend, the Peckham Vegetarian Bikers against Foxhunting are starting to get a bit cross.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Black Trans Lives Matter? Jeez you don’t half follow some odd uns!

Careful, I might suggest your comments aren’t funny and I’m offended and I’d hate any other posters to jump on your bandwagon.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Evidence? It was all over social and mainstream media. You know those guys doing the nazi salutes?

Not sure how many times I need to repeat this but the grandad line was a throwaway joke. Yes, you are correct there were also younger racists there. But they could grow up to be racist grandads if we're not careful (oops another joke, I just can't help myself)

This is a distraction from a serious thread. I'm sorry my stupid sense of humour has enabled you and others to deflect from what was meant to be a constructive comment.

Deflection is a well practised skill on here.

 

[DanFST]

I haven’t gone through yet. But no one is defending the Richards in London this weekend right?

 

[USER1999]

It’s a really clumsy tool, but I’m not sure if there’s a better one. It’s the easiest way to equalise an equal opportunities policy.

For sure, but it is attitudes that need changing, and I am not sure the clumsy tool is really going to do it. It could be seen as counter representative, and make it worse. How do you answer you are only here because you are black/asian/female/guy what ever? Is it not easier to answer, because I was the best candidate?