ger147
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Amazes me that they took nearly 24hrs to find the ID card in the truck but less than 1hr to capture and arrest a Pakistani man who it turns out didn't do it...
Amazes me that they took nearly 24hrs to find the ID card in the truck but less than 1hr to capture and arrest a Pakistani man who it turns out didn't do it...
Beezerk
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Just been touched upon on the radio, apparently in France and Germany you have to carry id cards.
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I wish certain folk would show the same offence about the event, as they have about the commentary
Blue in Munich
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Really? We have absolutely no idea what witnesses said at the time or on what evidence the Pakistani man was arrested, but if there was even the slightest suspicion that he was involved you secure him and then sort out the details later. As for taking nearly 24 hours to find the ID card, that lorry would have been part of a crime scene and probably secured & removed for a full forensic examination. The last thing you'd want in a case like that is the local plod crawling all over it & destroying any evidence that there might be.
ger147
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Yes, really...
Sweep
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Fair enough but these are hardly law abiding people and wouldn't you make sure you took it with you?
Sweep
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So putting the investigation to one side for a moment, it now seems the Tunisian main suspect applied for asylum in Germany this year, but was refused. The police received a tip off saying he was planning a break in to fund the purchase of firearms to use in a terror attack. He was placed under covert surveillance on March 14, during which time he was drug dealing in a park and involved in a bar brawl. The surveillance ended in September.
Is it only me that wonders why he wasn't sent back to Tunisia at any point in this saga?
Edit: It now seems he was given temporary leave to stay in Germany. Presumably the stay was unaffected by drug dealing?
Is it only me that wonders why he wasn't sent back to Tunisia at any point in this saga?
Edit: It now seems he was given temporary leave to stay in Germany. Presumably the stay was unaffected by drug dealing?
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It does not look good from the German security forces. If they suspected he was a threat and he was refused asylum then either ship him back to Tunisia or put him in a secure holding camp pending removal. In both of those outcomes people are safe. Either the system has failed or people running the system have failed if these current reports prove to be accurate.
I've read that his asylum request was refused, he was subsequently placed on a danger/risk list and was being monitored, he was supposed to be deported a few months back but the paperwork is late/delayed, so, you know your getting kicked out and your an extremist, so you might as well go fighting, you couldn't make it up!
If anyone is a known danger, just get them out sharpish!
My thoughts are about our own celebrations here, especially new year in Edinburgh and London and hope the security forces are on top of things and it all goes off peacefully.
Tashyboy
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Looks like the main suspect has been shot dead in Milan.
Sweep
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So the main suspect has been shot and killed in Italy.
We now know he did a runner from Tunisia to avoid capture by the police for crime.
He went to Italy where he served time in prison for arson. In prison he was known as a trouble maker and a bully.
He applied for asylum in Germany but was refused, but was allowed to roam free while awaiting deportation as he needed a new passport to allow him to be deported.
During this time he was placed under surveillance as a potential terrorist. He offered to carry out a suicide bombing and was planning a break in to fund the purchase of firearms. He was also seen dealing drugs.
The new passport needed to deport him arrived two days after the Berlin Christmas market attack.
Anyone else wondering why he wasn't sent back to Tunisia when he had served his time in Prison in Italy?
Anyone else wondering why he wasn't locked up for either awaiting deportation following refusal of asylum, offering to commit a suicide bombing, planning a break in to fund terrorism, planning a terrorist attack and / or drug dealing?
How bad a crime do you have to commit in Germany to be sent to prison?
Are the prisons in Germany even more full than they are in the UK or are the German authorities, as I suspect, soft on criminal "immigrants"?
Anyone else wondering why you need a passport to be deported?
Anyone else wondering how he got half way across Europe without being caught?
Does anyone else think that if you go to live in another country and commit crime you should expect to be deported back to your home nation? I would certainly expect that if I went to live abroad.
We now know he did a runner from Tunisia to avoid capture by the police for crime.
He went to Italy where he served time in prison for arson. In prison he was known as a trouble maker and a bully.
He applied for asylum in Germany but was refused, but was allowed to roam free while awaiting deportation as he needed a new passport to allow him to be deported.
During this time he was placed under surveillance as a potential terrorist. He offered to carry out a suicide bombing and was planning a break in to fund the purchase of firearms. He was also seen dealing drugs.
The new passport needed to deport him arrived two days after the Berlin Christmas market attack.
Anyone else wondering why he wasn't sent back to Tunisia when he had served his time in Prison in Italy?
Anyone else wondering why he wasn't locked up for either awaiting deportation following refusal of asylum, offering to commit a suicide bombing, planning a break in to fund terrorism, planning a terrorist attack and / or drug dealing?
How bad a crime do you have to commit in Germany to be sent to prison?
Are the prisons in Germany even more full than they are in the UK or are the German authorities, as I suspect, soft on criminal "immigrants"?
Anyone else wondering why you need a passport to be deported?
Anyone else wondering how he got half way across Europe without being caught?
Does anyone else think that if you go to live in another country and commit crime you should expect to be deported back to your home nation? I would certainly expect that if I went to live abroad.
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Sweep....yes I'm wondering all of the above and agree with all your points. Absolutely incredible that these people are allowed to roam free!
Very simple and logical questions that really should be answered by those in charge. Not evaded, answered.
Hacker Khan
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Few facts if anyone is interested in them http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...tmas-market-terror-9500721?service=responsive
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Good post, will still be ignored by the majority of the media as it won't sell papers.
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There is an awful lot of assumption in the 'facts' as presented by the Mirror.
Blue in Munich
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Shouldn't that read very few facts if any at all? Considering the panning the Daily Mail gets on here, this article should have been completely slaughtered.
Sweep
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It seems to me that my version gleaned from Sky / BBC and this article in the Mirror Concur.
Except, the Mirror states he was released from jail in Italy but they couldn't deport him. So they told him to leave Italy. So he went to Germany.
If there is no border between Italy and its neighbouring countries, how do they know where he went and why is Italy passing the problem to one of its EU partners?
And he died in Italy.
Anyone else seeing the problem with this?
Tashyboy
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That sweep was something I mentioned to rod earlier on on this thread, re once in the EU you are free to travel where ever. I quite enjoyed reading the Mirror piece before it started giving out its " opinions". Quite frankly I thought some of its opinions were Rammel to say the least. Incidently what the piece never said was that once he fled Berlin he travelled from Berlin through France via train and onto Milan. All this time he was armed. He could have caused a major terrorist attack on that/ them trains.
