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There's a lot of misinformation around about what Benitez spent. Many pundits like to quote Gross spend which is totally irrelevant. Net spend is all that counts. He spent an average of £15m per season. He was a whisker away from winning the league with the 5th most expensive squad and the 5th highest wage bill. In my book that is an outstanding achievement. He took Liverpool to the number 1 ranking in Europe after winning the CL once, reaching another final and a semi.

People have very unrealistic expectations of Liverpool. Why are Liverpool expected to win the league yet Tottenham aren't when Spurs have a more expensive squad and a higher wage bill? That makes no sense.

It's very easy for United and Chelsea to get more of their signings right because they spend £20m every time. When you've only got £5m to spend but are expected to compete with the big boys then it stands to reason that many of them wont quite be good enough. So you move them on and try someone else for £5m. If you've recouped the money from the first player then it doesn't mean you've spent £10m does it. Anyone with half a brain can work that out. My first house cost me £80k, my 2nd £150k. That doesn't mean I'm living in a £230k house now does it!

It's a massive loss to Liverpool. When you've a transfer kitty of £15m but you're leaking £30m p.a. to service the club's debt it's pretty clear what the problem at the club is.

Benitez is a scapegoat and a legend!
 

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I used to work with a scouser.

I said when Benny joined that they'd never win the league with him in charge.

After they won the Champions league he ( My scouse mate, not Rafa ) came into the shop crowing ( and rightly so ).

I stood by what I had said about winning the league, though.

I was right.

I just don't get why Liverpool supporters try to protect the name of someone who was never good enough for them.

He had plenty of money before the Yankies came, and wasn't good enough. Tactically he was never suited to winning the English league. And he's not a great man manager.
 

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If he did win the league CH it would have been against all the odds.

He never had 'plenty of money' in relation to what United & Chelsea could spend. That's a myth.

If Harry Redknapp takes Spurs to 2nd next season with 86pts he'll be hailed as a genius. When Benitez does it 'he lost them the league'. Ludicrous double standards.

How do you get 86pts in a season (a tally which would have won the league almost every season in the last 10) if you're not suited to Premier League?

You've been listening to the media too much mate.
 

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Nope

I just never rated him.

And I think Liverpool are worthy of better.

( Although I have to admit to an occasional sneaky chuckle when they lose to another team of nohopers - no matter how mature and objective I try to get about football, there is still that titchy bit of teenager in me that laughs at other teams cock ups :eek: )
 

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There's a lot of misinformation around about what Benitez spent. Many pundits like to quote Gross spend which is totally irrelevant. Net spend is all that counts. He spent an average of £15m per season. He was a whisker away from winning the league with the 5th most expensive squad and the 5th highest wage bill. In my book that is an outstanding achievement. He took Liverpool to the number 1 ranking in Europe after winning the CL once, reaching another final and a semi.

People have very unrealistic expectations of Liverpool. Why are Liverpool expected to win the league yet Tottenham aren't when Spurs have a more expensive squad and a higher wage bill? That makes no sense.

It's very easy for United and Chelsea to get more of their signings right because they spend £20m every time. When you've only got £5m to spend but are expected to compete with the big boys then it stands to reason that many of them wont quite be good enough. So you move them on and try someone else for £5m. If you've recouped the money from the first player then it doesn't mean you've spent £10m does it. Anyone with half a brain can work that out. My first house cost me £80k, my 2nd £150k. That doesn't mean I'm living in a £230k house now does it!

It's a massive loss to Liverpool. When you've a transfer kitty of £15m but you're leaking £30m p.a. to service the club's debt it's pretty clear what the problem at the club is.

Benitez is a scapegoat and a legend!

With the greatest respect, you've fallen for the crap that Benitez used to spout to protect himself from his failures. Since when was net spend all that mattered at Liverpool ? I thought it was about winning things.

As I've said in an earlier post, the reason he recouped £150 million of the £200 odd million he spent was because he kept buying rubbish players. Buying a player for 17 million and then selling him for 12 (or whatever the Robbie Keane deal was) isn't good business. Are you really saying he should be commended for "only" spending a net 5 million ???

How can you say he had to buy players for 5 million when in his last season he spent 18 million on Glen Johnson and 20 million on Aquilani ? He had plenty of cash to spend over 6 years, he wasted most of it and then bleated on when he couldn't get more to burn. "Oh it's the Americans fault I've bought about 8 crap left backs for 30 million quid blah blah blah". His greatest achievement (after winning the CL) was convincing the Liverpool fans that none of it was his fault, and most of them fell for it

He bought 103 players in 6 years, 103 !!! All but 4 or 5 of them are / were rubbish. He chose the players, he bought them, he coached them. The incredible thing is that £211 milion and 103 players l, his team would probably have lost to Houlliers
 

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With the greatest respect, you've fallen for the crap that Benitez used to spout to protect himself from his failures. Since when was net spend all that mattered at Liverpool ? I thought it was about winning things.

As I've said in an earlier post, the reason he recouped £150 million of the £200 odd million he spent was because he kept buying rubbish players. Buying a player for 17 million and then selling him for 12 (or whatever the Robbie Keane deal was) isn't good business. Are you really saying he should be commended for "only" spending a net 5 million ???

How can you say he had to buy players for 5 million when in his last season he spent 18 million on Glen Johnson and 20 million on Aquilani ? He had plenty of cash to spend over 6 years, he wasted most of it and then bleated on when he couldn't get more to burn. "Oh it's the Americans fault I've bought about 8 crap left backs for 30 million quid blah blah blah". His greatest achievement (after winning the CL) was convincing the Liverpool fans that none of it was his fault, and most of them fell for it

He bought 103 players in 6 years, 103 !!! All but 4 or 5 of them are / were rubbish. He chose the players, he bought them, he coached them. The incredible thing is that £211 milion and 103 players l, his team would probably have lost to Houlliers

Ofcourse winning trophies is what it's all about but the reality is it takes a lot of money. All over the world name the teams with the most money and they're top of their respective leagues. Where do Liverpool sit in the rich list of this league? About 5th (well about 25th now). One bad season Rafa's had. 05 CL Winners, 06 FA Cup Winners top 4, 07 CL final top4, 08 CL semi top 4, 09 2nd in league CL quarter, 10 nowt. Yes he's made bad signings but who hasn't? He's made good ones too.
£211m is gross spend. Outside what he could generate by selling off the squad he inherited (which was far worse) he was given about £90m over his entire time. Of which the vast majority he would have earned through his wonderful CL record which saw the club statistically ranked no. 1 in europe. How has that anomaly occurred if he's as rubbish as you suggest? With those funds he has to over achieve and win the league. He almost did exactly that last season.
They've sacked the bloke for one season. They've had to pay £6m to get rid of him (money they don't have), will have to pay about £3m for his replacement who is a manager who will almost certainly have a far worse cv. What is the point in that? It's largely the same squad that finished 2nd. Torres missed most of the season and morale was rock bottom. Give him a chance to turn it round don't just sack him when you can't even afford to do it especially when you're trying to sell the club anyway. They just want someone who wont stir it up in the media while they sell off the clubs best players and reinvest relatively little.
 
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