Benitez out

[Deleted member 1740]

Whilst them 2 cowboys are owners,a part time chairman (who is a lifelong chelsa season ticket holder) and a cheif executive (installed by RBS) who has never been involved in running a football club are in charge the only way is down.

The club is a shambles from top to bottom a this present time and a new manager will not change the sorry state we are in.

Once all the dust has settled LFC will still be in this mess until all of the above get out of our club.

As for Rafa making bad signings show me a manager that hasn't, He's made some great signings too.

He didnt want to sell alonso but he wanted to go and for a £25m profit it was good business. The biggest problem was he wasnt alowed to reinvest that money into the squad, that profit paid off some of the intrest on the debt them 2 jokers have put on our club

A lot of people believe what the rags print but his net spend over 6 seasons was £90m. Every year he has had to sell to buy.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

O'Neill is Britains 2nd most overated gaffer....I would hope he was left well alone if I was a Liverpool fan....he will fill the team with cloggers and target men.

^^^^ what he said.

No way is o'neill a better manager than benitez and he's bought a lot of ovepriced rubbish.

I dont want him nor Woy hodgson at anfield.

 

[Imurg]

Liverpool to go down next May?

Rafa had at least a year more than he deserved. Whatever he tried just didn't work. Blame the players if you like.

The month after the WC is going to be interesting. Torres and Gerrard to go? Who would want to stay? Or join?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Liverpool to go down next May?

Rafa had at least a year more than he deserved. Whatever he tried just didn't work. Blame the players if you like.

The month after the WC is going to be interesting. Torres and Gerrard to go? Who would want to stay? Or join?

Imurg,i think your wrong about benitez having a year more than he deserved, 08/09 season was our best in the league and narrowly missed out on the league.

We lost alonso hyypia and arbeloa for £38m and replaced them with johnson aquilani and the greek for £38 so our net spend was zilch. we had needed the 3 above players aswell as another striker leftback. We replaced rather than improving.

Rafa had deals for jovetic and a left back until the yanks pulled the money away from him to pay the intrest on the debt they promised not to put us in. All in all i think them players last season with the exception of the goalkeeper were very very poor and rafa has paid the price for 1 bad season.

If players dont want to stay and fight to get us out of this mess then go though if players are jumping ship after 1 bad season then that just shows that you dont need players like that in your squad.

Hiddink or sven for me though we'll probably end up with snoggy doggy or a yes man if the yanks have any say in it.

 

[Parmo]

Manager less and up for sale, sounds like a Scottish bank.

 

[Tiger]

I can't understand people defending Rafa's performace in the transfer market. £18m for Johnson, buy Robbie Keane, don't play him then sell at a loss, openly court Gareth Barry, unsettle Alonso and then refuse to pay £18m for the former and sell the latter for £32m which underlines how wrong his initial assessment of the two was. Voronin, Crouch, Babel, Riera, Maxi Rodrigues, Ngog...I could go on.

I think the champions league debut season clouded a lot of people's judgement of his ability. Since those heady days the team was set out negatively, there was no plan B and an over reliance on Gerrard and Torres. His protection of Torres for the world cup was laughable summed up by poor stevie g's mug when he subbed him off toward the end of the season.

He did have money in the early days but, with a couple of exceptions, invested poorly. I actually think that Benitez lost the 2008/9 title by selling Keane and not buying a replacement. Trouble is the club isn't as attractive for prospective managers.

 

[viscount17]

He got a £6 million pay-off, 3 now, 3 on hp.

Hughes may not be too wide of the mark. With the club up for sale Liverpool will have a job attracting a decent manager who could be out on his ear as soon as a new owner comes in (a la Man C). For that reason I think Fulham will keep Hodgson, and I can't see O'Neill going there either.

What's Sven doing?

 

[Robobum]

Heard a great phone in (for a change) a few weeks ago, the discussion was to design the ultimate fans sponsorship package.

The thought was for a fan to pay [say] £10K for the season and they would have a squad number and a place on the bench every game.

A Liverpool fan was straight on the phone to say that Benitez had already started that scheme by letting Lucas play.

 

[pokerjoke]

I can't understand people defending Rafa's performace in the transfer market. £18m for Johnson, buy Robbie Keane, don't play him then sell at a loss, openly court Gareth Barry, unsettle Alonso and then refuse to pay £18m for the former and sell the latter for £32m which underlines how wrong his initial assessment of the two was. Voronin, Crouch, Babel, Riera, Maxi Rodrigues, Ngog...I could go on.

I think the champions league debut season clouded a lot of people's judgement of his ability. Since those heady days the team was set out negatively, there was no plan B and an over reliance on Gerrard and Torres. His protection of Torres for the world cup was laughable summed up by poor stevie g's mug when he subbed him off toward the end of the season.

He did have money in the early days but, with a couple of exceptions, invested poorly. I actually think that Benitez lost the 2008/9 title by selling Keane and not buying a replacement. Trouble is the club isn't as attractive for prospective managers.

Tiger you talk a lot of sense that to me basically the crux of it.Unless some top manager comes in and has big money to spend and they sort the problems they have at boardroom and ownership level it could take years before liverpool are a force again.Hope so.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Tiger, you have a point but to be fair rafa wanted barry before but the yanks and parry decided he wasnt worth £18m. Rafa wanted barry so much he made an offer for him in April 08. Alonsos performances in his 2nd/3rd season were poor and only when he heard of competition he stepped up his game.

As for keane again its well known parry signed him just like he did scott carson. Rafa was slagged for signing crouch for £7m then turned him into an international player and sold him for a profit. Babels attitude and effort when plays is poor to say the least. keane was and is a headless chicken though its funny since he left spurs they have improved.

We now have a board of 4 people running our club who know nothing about football and how clubs are ran.

Worrying times ahead and i cant see it improving

 

[bigbiffa]

i have the same problem at my club(rangers), we are now being run by lloyds back pretty much, its shocking. only 24 years ago(lol) we were offering the biggest wages in britain, signing butcher,woods, stevens etc. now we are a laughing stock, trying to get tommy smith from portsmouth on the cheap! thats the prob with football, money has ruined it!

 

[colint]

The Americans are obviously bad for the club, but Benitez has to cop for his share of the blame for the mess the club is in. He bought an unbelieveable 103 players and spent over £211 million in 6 years, that's 17 players a season. I hear Liverpool fans talk about how much he recouped (about £150 million) and claim it as a good thing. the fact is that the vast majority of the players HE bought HE then sold because they were crap, so that's no recommendation.

I'm an Evertonian and can remember when you'd look at the Liverpool team and wished every one of them played for you. Now, how many would you want ? 3, maybe 4 at a push.

 

[Tiger]

Heard a great phone in (for a change) a few weeks ago, the discussion was to design the ultimate fans sponsorship package.

The thought was for a fan to pay [say] £10K for the season and they would have a squad number and a place on the bench every game.

A Liverpool fan was straight on the phone to say that Benitez had already started that scheme by letting Lucas play.

That's brilliant though I think half of the Liverpool fans could probably do a better job.

 

[freddielong]

I think the big problem for Liverpool is who is better, Rafa made Liverpool competetive for the first time in a long time, and will any top manager come in with the current board and ownership.

Rumour has it that it had to be done to keep Torres and Gerrard

 

[GB72]

I have a feeling that Liverpool will end up with Mark Hughes in charge for the simple reason that he is free.

With the debt levels and the payout to Rafa I cannot see them putting together a big compensation package to steal a manager from another club.

 

[Tiger]

Benitez has to cop for his share of the blame for the mess the club is in. He bought an unbelieveable 103 players and spent over £211 million in 6 years, that's 17 players a season. I hear Liverpool fans talk about how much he recouped (about £150 million) and claim it as a good thing. the fact is that the vast majority of the players HE bought HE then sold because they were crap, so that's no recommendation

spot on, especially the last bit. He bought so much dross it's unreal

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Im gutted hes gone he was one manager who was guaranteed to take Liverpool knowhere.Just how i like it.

As a Chelsea fan I couldn't agree more!!

 

[CrapHacker]

I've been hearing about how tough it's going to be to find a replacement, what with the problem with the Yanks, and having no money.

I don't get it.

I can't see that Liverpool's Yanks are any worse than Man U's Yanks, and Fergie is getting on with it without whingeing

And if they sell up ( which I can't see happening any time soon tbh ) the new manager will either get loads of money for players or a huge payoff when sacked.

Also they don't need a huge number of players to improve. This squad is still pretty much the same as last year's, which managed second place.

They are only one or two players short of a decent squad, and whilst they may not get straight back into the Champions League, it won't take much to improve on this season.

 

[viscount17]

And if they sell up ( which I can't see happening any time soon tbh ) the new manager will either get loads of money for players or a huge payoff when sacked.

If Liverpool are expecting to be sold, which they are, they will not give a new manager a contract that would enable him to walk out with a huge payoff - that would be worse business sense than allowing benitez to buy players.

Chances are it would be a temporary manager (Dalgleish?) or a short term rolling contract. whichever, what top manager will settle for that?

 

[CrapHacker]

If Liverpool are expecting to be sold, which they are,

But why are they ?

They are overpriced, in huge debt, not in the Champions League.

Who is going to come in for them anytime soon?

Look at Newcastle, still up for sale a couple of centuries later.

Yes Liverpool are a global brand.

But they are spoiled goods nowadays.

If anyone has got a billion quid to spend on a football team, he'll spend it on Utd - at least then he'll get a return on his money.

Anyone who invests in Liverpool has got to expect to make a loss.

That, or drive them into bankrupcy.