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Cos their recent form was crap prior to implementation of WHS
Banditry
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SteveW86
Head Pro
Yeah I know, we've discussed it previously. It's just really difficult because our greens are hellish in summer. You can so easily rack up three or four three-putts and it's pretty hard to break 80 if you do that.
Oh, and the next FIVE rounds at the bottom of my record are all counting rounds from my old course now. So I'm more likely to hit 17 than my goal of 12 I should think. Wish me luck.
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Blue tee comp on Saturday Dave and going to be windy, get yourself up here for some torture..
Stick in, bound to be better golf round the corner if the weather improves...
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
My own experience of playing off handicap far higher than my ability was not of my making and happened when I first gave up working.
I had spent so much of the summer playing at other courses that I had not played in any comps. Before the first comp I went in to see the sec and asked for a cut. "Do it in a medal" was the reply so I won the next medal by 4 shots, back in to see him "I'll cut you by another shot", I won the next medal "I'll cut you by another shot" at which point I gave up and did it all in medals coming down from 16 to 8.
I had spent so much of the summer playing at other courses that I had not played in any comps. Before the first comp I went in to see the sec and asked for a cut. "Do it in a medal" was the reply so I won the next medal by 4 shots, back in to see him "I'll cut you by another shot", I won the next medal "I'll cut you by another shot" at which point I gave up and did it all in medals coming down from 16 to 8.
Biggleswade Blue
Head Pro
I don't understand why the bits I've underlined above put him into a bandit category. Isn't the point here that he has a followed the rules, got a handicap, but has potential to inmprove? Isn't that one of the fundamentals of playing a sport?
Perhaps the definitions of bandit aren't clear. There seems to be :
bandit - artificially mainpulates their game so that they can win competitions that are (in their mind at least) prestigious. This is bad.
bandit - capable of playing better than their handicap sometimes so will win ocassionally. Nothing wrong with that.
bandit - someone improving, so will see handicap reduce over time, but in the meantime can get some pretty impressive net scores. This sometimes seems to rub people up the wrong way. I'm not sure what they are doing wrong and why they should attract complaint.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
It was always forecast to happen. The problem with the old system is that it could takes years to reach your correct handicap if you were getting worse unless it was done by review. Even with the new system I have seen several players (including myself) who have reached the hard cap (5 shots)
I have played with the same Saturday group for years and many of them have seen an increase of 5 shots or so since the WHS came in, one guy has gone from 16 to 32 (mind you he is a bandit who is known to do things to protect his handicap and regularly shoots 40+ points in a couple of swindles).
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Fragger is the best 23 handicapper in the world
That is all....
That is all....
People do try to over analyse and over complicate the whole move to WHS but really it is quite simple, as you point out in this post. Score well and your HI comes down, score badly and it goes up. It doesn't move based on what you want it to be, it doesn't move based on your 1-2 good rounds per year, it shows where you are at on the whole at this time. People just don't like to see this, a bit like real world drive lengths, because it hurts their ego.
Springveldt
Well-known member
Those shorter winter tees really give you a false sense of confidence. Same for me, was sure I would get my index down to 4.4 this year but so far have only 2 counting scores from 11 rounds after playing well all winter.
As for the topic, I had the situation once as a junior where my handicap didn't catch up to all the practice I had been putting in. Had a ridiculous sub 60 net in a comp.
As an adult when I took the game up again I had a lot of lessons and practice before submitting my cards. When I did I had an initial handicap of 15 and won a board comp (my 7th competition) with a net 64. Wasn't really a bandit though as I only won by 1 shot. I've also lost with a net 64 when I was off 12.
Biggleswade Blue
Head Pro
If the player was following the rules, surely by definition their handicap was correct, even it meant that player was struggling to score well, or was performing exceptionally.
Handicapping is an arbitrary system. There is a new way doing it. There was an old way of doing it. They are not the same, and cannot be compared. Players should not be criticised if they are not enagging in shady practices.
Springveldt
Well-known member
What was your handicap before the break? Dropping 11 shots in 7 months is mental, especially when you started at 16. You must have been a good player before the break.
SimonC
Head Pro
In my opinion he has done nothing wrong as he's doing it all by the book & he can't currently be classed as a bandit, but he will be put into that category by the people who play with him or see him play. I introduced him to some people I know other day, then he smashed one down the middle & long, they asked what he played off & their faces said it all but they wont have seen the 2 x 8's, 9 & 10 he made that day & the 7 x 3 putts he made.
I am on a weird run right now of hitting my 1st tee shot of the day right up the middle, clean as you like. It's been like that all season. The rest may be good, bad or indifferent but that 1st is solid. People see one shot and make up their minds about someone when it is clearly only one shot. Golf is slightly odd like that. As you say, you see all of the ones that follow.
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
I wouldn’t call it bandit golf but my first hcap was 27. I had never played in a board comp and was crapping bricks as I teed up with my brother and an ex lady captain On Captains day. Long story short I won with 43 or 44 points. I was absolutely knackered both mentally and physically. The last three holes were like doing a second marathon. I had only been a member about 4 months and the usual
“ bandit” comments were quoted from pals when I went into the 19 th hole. Felt gutted for the guy who I beat on countback that played off about 4. He had the round of his life. I think I was cut about 3 shots in old money. I was more happy with that.
“ bandit” comments were quoted from pals when I went into the 19 th hole. Felt gutted for the guy who I beat on countback that played off about 4. He had the round of his life. I think I was cut about 3 shots in old money. I was more happy with that.
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
But a couple of months ago , I was the best 27 handicapper in the world.
Make yer mind up ?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I was right then too...
Bratty
Princess Pouty (Queen of Fish Lips)
I think he didn't have many cards in coming up to the introduction, as he'd played up in Scotland a lot and not many comps at Westerham. He'd also been playing quite badly in comps before that.
He's playing much better now! Shot a nett 67 in the last medal!
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
I played in a forum meet one year. I set off with 5x 2’s, nice and steady, a guy I played with made a couple of comments that my game is better than my hcap. But it was said in a way to have a dig. I had two thoughts at that point.
1, I was playing to hcap and although I had hit a few shots that were good. It was nothing special.
2, he was playing crap and I nearly said as much, but what does his crap golf have to do with my game.
He was very quick to judge
sweaty sock
Hacker
Not me but my sister... Returned to golf, played for a year, joined a club pay as you play club and got a ropey (8 higher than her previous playing) handicap in about the first 3 weeks. Had no way to enter comps as it wasnt part of her membership. But had a handicap cert which was all she wanted.
Fast forward about 18 months, had a bit more cash so joined a proper club. First comp... prior to entering spoke to handicap sec about her untapped talent and near certain banditry, was ignored, told that everyone thinks they are fantastic until the big day. Despite her explanations that she'd played in plenty comps prior to this....
Turned up, nett 62. Deliberately left her card unsigned. Thought nothing of it
Turned up to a torrent of pelters at the wednesday sweep, bear in mind this was pre internet days so she didnt even know the results. The numpties had only ignored the fact her card was unsigned and left her in the comp.
More meetings and raking through the bins to find cards. Rightly DQ'd
From then on and for the next 10 years everyone thought she was a bandit, and that bandits could be disqualified if their scores were too good in they're first comp....
Absolute disaster all round...
Fast forward about 18 months, had a bit more cash so joined a proper club. First comp... prior to entering spoke to handicap sec about her untapped talent and near certain banditry, was ignored, told that everyone thinks they are fantastic until the big day. Despite her explanations that she'd played in plenty comps prior to this....
Turned up, nett 62. Deliberately left her card unsigned. Thought nothing of it
Turned up to a torrent of pelters at the wednesday sweep, bear in mind this was pre internet days so she didnt even know the results. The numpties had only ignored the fact her card was unsigned and left her in the comp.
More meetings and raking through the bins to find cards. Rightly DQ'd
From then on and for the next 10 years everyone thought she was a bandit, and that bandits could be disqualified if their scores were too good in they're first comp....
Absolute disaster all round...
All very disappointing but ultimately says more about them.I played in a forum meet one year. I set off with 5x 2’s, nice and steady, a guy I played with made a couple of comments that my game is better than my hcap. But it was said in a way to have a dig. I had two thoughts at that point.
1, I was playing to hcap and although I had hit a few shots that were good. It was nothing special.
2, he was playing crap and I nearly said as much, but what does his crap golf have to do with my game.
He was very quick to judge
