Ball lodge in ob fence

[jim8flog]

A players ball is lodged in a chain link fence which is used as an OB fence, it is above the ground and part of the ball is clearly in bounds.

What are the players options.

1) Hit it as it lies?
2) drop the ball, without penalty, at the spot on the ground immediately below where the ball is?
3) take an uplayable lie under penalty?
4) other? please advise what

 

[Slab]

Am I missing something
If the fence is the OOB marker then ball touching it means the ball is OOB (even if part of ball is 'inbound')
Back to where the previous shot was played from to drop plus 1 shot pen?

 

[Colin L]

1. Yes and he can hit the other side of the fence without the club head having to touch the ball.
2. No, he does not get free relief from a boundary object.
3. Yes, his reference point being directly below his ball.
4. None

 

[Colin L]

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Am I missing something
If the fence is the OOB marker then ball touching it means the ball is OOB (even if part of ball is 'inbound')
Back to where the previous shot was played from to drop plus 1 shot pen?

All of the ball must be over the boundary line to be out of bounds. You are probably thinking of a stake marking a penalty area.

 

[Slab]

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... You are probably thinking of a stake marking a penalty area.

Almost certainly

 

[SammmeBee]

Am I missing something
If the fence is the OOB marker then ball touching it means the ball is OOB (even if part of ball is 'inbound')
Back to where the previous shot was played from to drop plus 1 shot pen?

Here we go....posting nonsense to confuse people!!

 

[Colin L]

I was thinking only of medal play earlier for question 4. In match play, you can concede the hole and in Stableford pick up. In any format you can pick up and go for a beer.

 

[jim8flog]

1. Yes and he can hit the other side of the fence without the club head having to touch the ball.
2. No, he does not get free relief from a boundary object.
3. Yes, his reference point being directly below his ball.
4. None

Thank you.
That was the ruling I made (after the fact). The player had proceeded using the two balls option.

re 1. It is 6 ft high fence so the option of hitting the other side was not a consideration and getting to the other side is trespassing on Railway property.

 

[backwoodsman]

To be OOB, the whole of the ball has to be over the OOB line. In this case, OP says it's not. In that case, think of what you can/can't do if the ball were stuck, in bounds, up a tree. Which is effectively play it as it lies or take the ball unplayable options.

 

[duncan mackie]

For clarity, as some references above might be misconstrued...

It's a fence. As such the default OOB 'line' is one that joins up the course side posts at ground level. Not the fence mesh, unless the committee have defined it otherwise.

As has been posted all of the ball would have to be on the wrong side of this line (the line being infintesimaly this of course).

If a line is physically painted the same principle applies in that the course side edge of the pained line is the relevant one for assessing if all of the ball is over it, and the line itself is OOB.

So, as originally posted, it's entirely possible the ball was OOB, but it's also possible it wasn't.

 

[Colin L]

No argument there, Duncan, but as originally posted, "part of the ball was clearly in bounds."

 

[Slab]

Here we go....posting nonsense to confuse people!!

Sorry my error caused you confusion

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Here we go....posting nonsense to confuse people!!

No, he was posting his understanding of the solutions, yes he was incorrect, and now he knows the proper options.

Never ever criticise another forum member for asking a question, it’s how we all learn.

 

[jim8flog]

For clarity, as some references above might be misconstrued...

It's a fence. As such the default OOB 'line' is one that joins up the course side posts at ground level. Not the fence mesh, unless the committee have defined it otherwise.

As has been posted all of the ball would have to be on the wrong side of this line (the line being infintesimaly this of course).

If a line is physically painted the same principle applies in that the course side edge of the pained line is the relevant one for assessing if all of the ball is over it, and the line itself is OOB.

So, as originally posted, it's entirely possible the ball was OOB, but it's also possible it wasn't.

For clarity, I can only go by what was said by the player and confirmed by the marker.

The posts are all on the opposite side of the fence to the course and the fence is on the course side. The fence and posts do not belong to the club.

Our rules state that the ball is OB if it is outside of the fence.

Where the fence is located, in amongst a large number of trees at roughly 1-2 metre apart as a double row marking in any other way is impractible (trees having been planted to help avoid balls landing on the railway property).

 

[rulefan]

Our rules state that the ball is OB if it is outside of the fence.

This would seem to suffice. It ties the course side of the posts to the fence itself.