Ball deflected into hole

[palindromicbob]

If you read my post exactly as it is written I think it is clear from the words used which ball does what, anyway here's it is slightly expanded.

A ball (A) is on the green - it is stationary (obviously it cannot be 'deflected' as it ain't moving). The competitor who is off the green hits his ball (B) which is deflected into the hole by the impact with the stationary ball (A) which moves to one side. Ball (B) hits the pin and drops into the hole.

The player of ball (A) claims a single put; the player of ball (B) plays the ball as it lies and holes out, the pin having now been removed.

The reason for raising it is two of my fellow players argued about whether the ball on the green (B) should have been lifted but my view was because the player of ball (A) was off the green he had the option to have (B) lifted but didn't have to take it and alos the pin could remain in position - hence the no penalties to both players.

Hold on I'm getting a headache from this simple thing. Think you switched the A and B part way through that post.

If the ball that was on the green (A) was not replaced after being moved by the ball that was played from off the green (B) then the player of ball A should have got a 2 stroke penalty.

No requirement for the ball to have been marked unless the player requested it be left to assist him.

 

[North Mimms]

If you read my post exactly as it is written I think it is clear from the words used which ball does what, anyway here's it is slightly expanded.

A ball (A) is on the green - it is stationary (obviously it cannot be 'deflected' as it ain't moving). The competitor who is off the green hits his ball (B) which is deflected into the hole by the impact with the stationary ball (A) which moves to one side. Ball (B) hits the pin and drops into the hole.

The player of ball (A) claims a single put; the player of ball (B) plays the ball as it lies and holes out, the pin having now been removed.

The reason for raising it is two of my fellow players argued about whether the ball on the green (B) should have been lifted but my view was because the player of ball (A) was off the green he had the option to have (B) lifted but didn't have to take it and alos the pin could remain in position - hence the no penalties to both players.

Your first post was a bit ambiguous to people like me who don't know difference between deflected and moved.
Your clarifying post has so many contradictions that I'm going to go to bed...

 

[rickg]

Your clarifying post has so many contradictions that I'm going to go to bed...

It's OK, Del will be along in a minute to clear it all up.... :rofl:

 

[North Mimms]

It's OK, Del will be along in a minute to clear it all up.... :rofl:

Oh great... Introduce player C into the equation!

 

[delc]

It's OK, Del will be along in a minute to clear it all up.... :rofl:

It's quite simple. The 1st ball on the green (say A) is stationary. The 2nd ball (B) is chipped onto the green, hits and deflects off ball A. Ball A has to be replaced. Ball B is played as it lies, and if it goes into the hole it is holed. As long as Ball B was played from off the green there are no penalties. Rule 19-5a.

 

[Foxholer]

It's quite simple. The 1st ball on the green (say A) is stationary. The 2nd ball (B) is chipped onto the green, hits and deflects off ball A. Ball A has to be replaced. Ball B is played as it lies, and if it goes into the hole it is holed. As long as Ball B was played from off the green there are no penalties. Rule 19-5a.

This is actually correct!

@drdel I agree with P..bob. I think you have mixed your A and B up part way through your 'clarification'. And how can anyone claim to have holed for a 1 - except if it was B, having played from the Tee?

 

[palindromicbob]

It's quite simple. The 1st ball on the green (say A) is stationary. The 2nd ball (B) is chipped onto the green, hits and deflects off ball A. Ball A has to be replaced. Ball B is played as it lies, and if it goes into the hole it is holed. As long as Ball B was played from off the green there are no penalties. Rule 19-5a.

:rofl:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Are both of these balls white? If not, then it makes a difference. Yellow balls are always played as they lie.


Don't know why but sure I read it somewhere. Although it may be different in matchplay.

 

[Colin L]

A great thread. :whoo:

A simple question in Post #1, simply answered in Post #3 and then ....... another 3 pages going round the houses.

How dull life would be if we always stopped at Post#3.

 

[North Mimms]

A great thread. :whoo:

A simple question in Post #1, simply answered in Post #3 and then ....... another 3 pages going round the houses.

How dull life would be if we always stopped at Post#3.

My fault for not understanding the initial post, but in my defence I was trying to think after a mere 2 hours sleep the previous night!

 

[Colin L]

Fault? Who's talking about fault? Entertaining creativity, that's what it was.

 

[North Mimms]

Fault? Who's talking about fault? Entertaining creativity, that's what it was.

Entertaining creativity? Well I suppose that better than calling it rambling nonsense!

 

[palindromicbob]

Why the confusion? Only a moving ball can be deflected.

A great thread. :whoo:

A simple question in Post #1, simply answered in Post #3 and then ....... another 3 pages going round the houses.

How dull life would be if we always stopped at Post#3.

Golf is a simple game with simple rules (at the core) made complicated by those playing it. Much more interesting this way. :thup:

 

[North Mimms]

A great thread. :whoo:

A simple question in Post #1, simply answered in Post #3 and then ....... another 3 pages going round the houses.

How dull life would be if we always stopped at Post#3.

Ah but you see, I only have one page going round the houses...:thup:

 

[louise_a]

This happened in the game I was playing in today, a Pro Am, on of my team played her approach to about 2 feet from the hole, our pro then played his chip, which hit the girls ball and finished up in the hole, so a birdie for the pro, the girl then replaced her ball and tapped in for her birdie.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What happens if the shot to the green is blind (over a sand dune or hill) and nobody witnesses the deflection?

scrub

 

[sportsbob]

Simple one. What ever the format the ball is played as it lies from where ever it ends up. In this case it is holed so happy days. No penalty.

The ball that did the deflection would need to be replaced if it has moved.

Only a penalty in stroke play if both balls where on the green. As the ball was played from off the green there would be no penalty.

Rule 19-5 Ball in motion deflected or stopped by another ball.
Rule 18-5 Ball at Rest moved by another ball.

Who gets the penalty, the second person putting or the person whose ball is stationary and has not been marked?

 

[backwoodsman]

Who gets the penalty, the second person putting or the person whose ball is stationary and has not been marked?

The penalty is to the person who putted the moving ball.

 

[atticusfinch]

The stationary ball gets no penalty and must be replaced.

In stroke play, the player of a ball that strikes another ball (on the green) after a stroke on the green gets two strokes.

 

[palindromicbob]

Who gets the penalty, the second person putting or the person whose ball is stationary and has not been marked?

The person putting receives the penalty of two strokes. They have the option to request the ball be lifted under 22-2 so the situation is entirely avoidable. If the other player refuses to comply with that request they risk disqualification under rule 3-1. In Stroke play the FC does have the option to elect to play first rather than mark his ball under 22-2.