Arsenal Looking Good

[Papas1982]

Arsene has always spent money when he could, he bought players like Wiltord, Pires Overmars Henry Reyes etc so I have no doubt Arsene will spend the money, I only pasted it cause I thought that it explained that the money we have now is not a one off it is increased revenue and will be available year on year (the question was asked in an earlier post).

I know he spent in the past. But in recent years he himself has always said there was money but he wouldn't overspend. I know part of that was probably a defence mechanism.

As I've stated, I hope that arsenal progress as I like a competitive league. But a lot of arsenal fans seem to believe that this extra funding will be a guarantee. Like teams have just been holding a space for you when the money flows.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I liked how, "Liverpool made Suarez and Torres stars". Suarez poor pool back on the map with his performances getting cl footy again. And Torres played for Spain during their golden era.

whilst all parties helped one another out, it's laughable him trying to give all the credit to Liverpool. But he's probably the most biased pundit on sky, and is the reason why pundits no longer cover their own teams.

Suarez actually had a better goal per game ratio for Ajax than Liverpool,obviously in a weaker league. But I'd hardly say Liverpool made him.
I certainly think he's done more for Liverpool than them for him.

 

[Papas1982]

Suarez actually had a better goal per game ratio for Ajax than Liverpool,obviously in a weaker league. But I'd hardly say Liverpool made him.
I certainly think he's done more for Liverpool than them for him.

I agree, of course if Liverpool hadn't signed him then his career would have been less noticed down the publicity the premierleague. As they say, no publicity is bad publicity. Yet hiw many people knew of his first bite before Liverpool signed him.

 

[c1973]

This summer was always going to be the moment when the years of relative ration and harvest would finally be rewarded. Back around 2000, when this vision was being formed, the wider landscape in 2014 could only be guessed at.

But if you had told Wenger then that Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham would still be nowhere near sorting their own stadium issues, he would have been entitled to suppose that Arsenal and Manchester United’s dominance would be assured.

Manchester City and Chelsea, with close to £1 billion of benefactor investment apiece, have fundamentally altered the picture but Arsenal still now find themselves in an envious position compared to most of their competitors.

On its own, the £150 million five-year Puma deal provides between £22 million and £26 million of extra money each and every year. The new Emirates shirt sponsorship deal does roughly the same. Together with other smaller commercial partnerships, the difference in the club’s commercial income next year compared with last year will be around £70 million. And the important point to remember is that this is not some sort of one-off payment but a yearly change that will be fully available for transfer fees and wages each and every year. It means that, from 2014-15, Arsenal will become one of the select few clubs in Europe to generate more than £300 million a year.

There is considerable internal pride at this achievement and it was not hard to read between the lines when Ivan Gazidis, the chief executive, addressed the media. "I think it is a validation of the things we are doing right,” he said. “Our club has walked an independent path, standing on our own two feet, and thinking long term about that progression.”

He went on to specifically add that Arsenal had got to where they are “without state funding or the help of a benefactor” but through the work of people who “love” the club. “When we do achieve success it will be incredibly meaningful to everyone on this journey,” said Gazidis.

There are still some thorns in this emerging garden of roses. In theory, Arsenal should be ideally placed to benefit from Uefa’s new Financial Fair-Play regulations and the ‘break even’ principle that clubs should not spend more than they naturally earn. In practice, Deloitte’s new league table of the biggest earners in football very clearly signalled how Manchester City and Paris St Germain will seek to underpin their vast spending with sponsorship deals that would appear to have a close connection to their respective owners.

City have gone from generating £18 million in commercial income in 2008-9 to £166.9 million in 2012-13. This is already well ahead of more historically famous and successful clubs, such as Arsenal and Liverpool, and only marginally behind
Manchester United, Real Madrid and Barcelona. PSG have gone even further and now outstrip every club in world football for sponsorship revenue. These deals will be evaluated for ‘fair value’ by Uefa and, during lunch this week with Michel Platini, it can be safely assumed that Gazidis was clearly outlining his “healthy sceptics” view of FFP.

Yet even if that battle is lost, the wider narrative is clear. Arsenal’s patience and long-term planning – qualities not readily associated with modern football - are now beginning to reap their reward. Most significant of all was the confirmation that Wenger will sign a new contract that is likely to run until the end of the 2016-17 season. This was not so certain even five months ago when Arsenal were losing on the opening day of the season to Aston Villa and Wenger was being disrespectfully told by some fans that “you don’t know what you’re doing”.

Having been the principal architect of Arsenal’s vision – and also the human shield for all the frustration over the club’s lack of trophies amid regular top four finishes since 2005 – he has earned the chance to lead the club into this new phase. And what happens next, now that Wenger has the opportunity to regularly supplement the development of young players with expensive proven talent like Mesut Ozil, will decide his final standing in the pantheon of British football’s most influential managers.

A good post that. I actually never realised what Arsenal had been doing these past few years (my interest in footy was only reignited a year or two ago). How much debt have they been paying off for the stadium etc? It does make Wengers achievements look pretty good (regardless of whether he could/should have done better I the transfer market or not).

 

[freddielong]

I know he spent in the past. But in recent years he himself has always said there was money but he wouldn't overspend. I know part of that was probably a defence mechanism.

As I've stated, I hope that arsenal progress as I like a competitive league. But a lot of arsenal fans seem to believe that this extra funding will be a guarantee. Like teams have just been holding a space for you when the money flows.

Nothing is guaranteed in football that is why I think Arsene should be hailed a genius for what he has done at Arsenal and I find the fact that some people actually doubt him absurd, to have kept Arsenal where they are especially when the kids didn't work out and Robin Van Pursestrings sulked off to find a plan B with a net spend over the previous 7 seasons of 0 (IMHO no other manager in world football could have done it)

Arsenal really are approaching the financial promised land and I am glad Arsene is the guy to benefit from his hard work and loyalty

 

[Pin-seeker]

I agree, of course if Liverpool hadn't signed him then his career would have been less noticed down the publicity the premierleague. As they say, no publicity is bad publicity. Yet hiw many people knew of his first bite before Liverpool signed him.

Someone else would have signed him.

 

[Papas1982]

Someone else would have signed him.

Maybe, either way they've bith benefitted from the deals. Liverpool have improved their league position and he's improved his performances in a tougher league.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Maybe, either way they've bith benefitted from the deals. Liverpool have improved their league position and he's improved his performances in a tougher league.

Correct. Plus Liverpool have made a good profit & Suarez gets a dream move to Barca.

 

[freddielong]

A good post that. I actually never realised what Arsenal had been doing these past few years (my interest in footy was only reignited a year or two ago). How much debt have they been paying off for the stadium etc? It does make Wengers achievements look pretty good (regardless of whether he could/should have done better I the transfer market or not).

The debt over all, which was at about £450mil, in 2008 and is now closer to £250m? Though all that is left are fixed fees now that cannot be paid off early. Our debt was so large that at one point two thirds of our payments were on interest, and not on the debt itself, the club had to ensure it had enough money to dig itself out of any trouble.


Also with regards to the amount of money Arsenal held in reserve and whether or not the plans could of been brought forward, huge chunks of it were not actually available to the club to spend on transfers.

£30m owed to other teams.
£25m as a debt servicing reserve.
£10m on player criterea related fees.
£30m contingent for not attaining CL (debatable how necessary this was though tbh). Further to that its been reported that we had performance related penalties from sponsors, further lowering revenues had CL not been attained.

Not only that Swiss ramble catagorically stated that without player sales and property development, Arsenal made some losses up to £31m a season, and seeing as how Gazidis and Arsenal have been in the driving seat for championing FFP, it was imperative that we upheld such a stringent model if ever there was a hope in hell of it working. Sticking to our thrift model was absolutely essential.

It was only recently, when revenue was taken to over £300m a season that we could actually sustain the extravegant system that has been in place for the last 2 summer windows, and that is what is important. Sustainability.

 

[Papas1982]

Nothing is guaranteed in football that is why I think Arsene should be hailed a genius for what he has done at Arsenal and I find the fact that some people actually doubt him absurd, to have kept Arsenal where they are especially when the kids didn't work out and Robin Van Pursestrings sulked off to find a plan B with a net spend over the previous 7 seasons of 0 (IMHO no other manager in world football could have done it)

Arsenal really are approaching the financial promised land and I am glad Arsene is the guy to benefit from his hard work and loyalty

i think ink the proof will be come the next few years. Whilst I respect what he has done. He's generally played the lottery re youngsters. How many do you release yearly when they're not the next fabregas? Luckily enough paid off and he's generated funds with it.

Re I don't think he or others that left did anything wrong. Players careers are finite so they have to capitalise when they can, they can't wait for a ten year project to finish like a manager can.

There are quite a few arsenal fans who critics him too, more than neutrals IMO. But as has been raised before, surely arsenal need a leader on the pitch. He hasn't found one of them for sometime, and that's something he needs to address.

 

[freddielong]

Football changes over the seasons and there was a move away from that philosophy and the need for a DM but it is worth noting Vieira who has been mentioned was not the DM in the invincible's team that was the job of another world cup winner. I does appear that Arsene is looking towards that kind of player again and I think there will be game this season where he starts with a 442 so things are changing.

 

[c1973]

The debt over all, which was at about £450mil, in 2008 and is now closer to £250m? Though all that is left are fixed fees now that cannot be paid off early. Our debt was so large that at one point two thirds of our payments were on interest, and not on the debt itself, the club had to ensure it had enough money to dig itself out of any trouble.


Also with regards to the amount of money Arsenal held in reserve and whether or not the plans could of been brought forward, huge chunks of it were not actually available to the club to spend on transfers.

£30m owed to other teams.
£25m as a debt servicing reserve.
£10m on player criterea related fees.
£30m contingent for not attaining CL (debatable how necessary this was though tbh). Further to that its been reported that we had performance related penalties from sponsors, further lowering revenues had CL not been attained.

Not only that Swiss ramble catagorically stated that without player sales and property development, Arsenal made some losses up to £31m a season, and seeing as how Gazidis and Arsenal have been in the driving seat for championing FFP, it was imperative that we upheld such a stringent model if ever there was a hope in hell of it working. Sticking to our thrift model was absolutely essential.

It was only recently, when revenue was taken to over £300m a season that we could actually sustain the extravegant system that has been in place for the last 2 summer windows, and that is what is important. Sustainability.

Sounds like your club is in safe hands. Good stuff.

 

[JCW]

This summer was always going to be the moment when the years of relative ration and harvest would finally be rewarded. Back around 2000, when this vision was being formed, the wider landscape in 2014 could only be guessed at.

But if you had told Wenger then that Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham would still be nowhere near sorting their own stadium issues, he would have been entitled to suppose that Arsenal and Manchester United’s dominance would be assured.

Manchester City and Chelsea, with close to £1 billion of benefactor investment apiece, have fundamentally altered the picture but Arsenal still now find themselves in an envious position compared to most of their competitors.

On its own, the £150 million five-year Puma deal provides between £22 million and £26 million of extra money each and every year. The new Emirates shirt sponsorship deal does roughly the same. Together with other smaller commercial partnerships, the difference in the club’s commercial income next year compared with last year will be around £70 million. And the important point to remember is that this is not some sort of one-off payment but a yearly change that will be fully available for transfer fees and wages each and every year. It means that, from 2014-15, Arsenal will become one of the select few clubs in Europe to generate more than £300 million a year.

There is considerable internal pride at this achievement and it was not hard to read between the lines when Ivan Gazidis, the chief executive, addressed the media. "I think it is a validation of the things we are doing right,” he said. “Our club has walked an independent path, standing on our own two feet, and thinking long term about that progression.”

He went on to specifically add that Arsenal had got to where they are “without state funding or the help of a benefactor” but through the work of people who “love” the club. “When we do achieve success it will be incredibly meaningful to everyone on this journey,” said Gazidis.

There are still some thorns in this emerging garden of roses. In theory, Arsenal should be ideally placed to benefit from Uefa’s new Financial Fair-Play regulations and the ‘break even’ principle that clubs should not spend more than they naturally earn. In practice, Deloitte’s new league table of the biggest earners in football very clearly signalled how Manchester City and Paris St Germain will seek to underpin their vast spending with sponsorship deals that would appear to have a close connection to their respective owners.

City have gone from generating £18 million in commercial income in 2008-9 to £166.9 million in 2012-13. This is already well ahead of more historically famous and successful clubs, such as Arsenal and Liverpool, and only marginally behind
Manchester United, Real Madrid and Barcelona. PSG have gone even further and now outstrip every club in world football for sponsorship revenue. These deals will be evaluated for ‘fair value’ by Uefa and, during lunch this week with Michel Platini, it can be safely assumed that Gazidis was clearly outlining his “healthy sceptics” view of FFP.

Yet even if that battle is lost, the wider narrative is clear. Arsenal’s patience and long-term planning – qualities not readily associated with modern football - are now beginning to reap their reward. Most significant of all was the confirmation that Wenger will sign a new contract that is likely to run until the end of the 2016-17 season. This was not so certain even five months ago when Arsenal were losing on the opening day of the season to Aston Villa and Wenger was being disrespectfully told by some fans that “you don’t know what you’re doing”.

Having been the principal architect of Arsenal’s vision – and also the human shield for all the frustration over the club’s lack of trophies amid regular top four finishes since 2005 – he has earned the chance to lead the club into this new phase. And what happens next, now that Wenger has the opportunity to regularly supplement the development of young players with expensive proven talent like Mesut Ozil, will decide his final standing in the pantheon of British football’s most influential managers.

Good post , chelski fans dont like because they know that jose must do it this year or get the sack , where does he go then , france is only place left , he likes clubs that let him spent big money , if was a great manager then why not go to say west ham and show us how good he is , he knows he be found out , all top jobs now taken so where does he go when he gets the push and as for his boss , who does he bring in as he has sacked them all , Arsenal are healthy and chelski like city are eating at the top table because their owners are prepared to pay the bill and one day they wont then its pompey all over again .....................EYG

 

[Papas1982]

Good post , chelski fans dont like because they know that jose must do it this year or get the sack , where does he go then , france is only place left , he likes clubs that let him spent big money , if was a great manager then why not go to say west ham and show us how good he is , he knows he be found out , all top jobs now taken so where does he go when he gets the push and as for his boss , who does he bring in as he has sacked them all , Arsenal are healthy and chelski like city are eating at the top table because their owners are prepared to pay the bill and one day they wont then its pompey all over again .....................EYG

jose se won at Porto with no money. No disrespect to west ham as you've mentioned them or my club saints. But why would Jose go there? He doesn't have to prove himself. Just like wenger or saf wouldn't go to a small club either. I'd say. Jose will be given plenty of time. Wishful thinking of an arsenal fan that Chelsea fail. Even if roman walks, plenty of suitors will buy Chelsea. They're a lot bugger than Pompey, and there's more money in PL then when Leeds chased glory.

 

[JCW]

jose se won at Porto with no money. No disrespect to west ham as you've mentioned them or my club saints. But why would Jose go there? He doesn't have to prove himself. Just like wenger or saf wouldn't go to a small club either. I'd say. Jose will be given plenty of time. Wishful thinking of an arsenal fan that Chelsea fail. Even if roman walks, plenty of suitors will buy Chelsea. They're a lot bugger than Pompey, and there's more money in PL then when Leeds chased glory.

Buying is one thing and then chucking money at it is another thing , if i had loads of money i buy Newcaslte and chuck money at it , or sunderland , jose got lucky at porto , the rest he spend big money and never stayed too long as he fallen out with everyone , if he dont do well this year he is getting sacked as he is spending big money again

 

[Pin-seeker]

Buying is one thing and then chucking money at it is another thing , if i had loads of money i buy Newcaslte and chuck money at it , or sunderland , jose got lucky at porto , the rest he spend big money and never stayed too long as he fallen out with everyone , if he dont do well this year he is getting sacked as he is spending big money again

Come on mate you can't knock Jose's record. Spending money is one thing,but making the team work is another.
Suppose he got lucky at Inter aswell?

 

[Pin-seeker]

And what would be considered as doing well for Chelsea?
Anything but winning the League is a pretty poor season,as it is for all the big clubs.
Obviously unless you win the CL.

 

[JCW]

Come on mate you can't knock Jose's record. Spending money is one thing,but making the team work is another.
Suppose he got lucky at Inter aswell?

Granted his record is good for someone who spend big big money and played dull football at times , he has burn his bridges , where can he go next , PSG maybe and i dont like his big headed ways , parks the bus and enjoys it but when other teams park the bus he moans like crazy then there is the way he treats players , juan mata for example , he is going to get his own medicine soon

 

[Pin-seeker]

Granted his record is good for someone who spend big big money and played dull football at times , he has burn his bridges , where can he go next , PSG maybe and i dont like his big headed ways , parks the bus and enjoys it but when other teams park the bus he moans like crazy then there is the way he treats players , juan mata for example , he is going to get his own medicine soon

I can see where your coming from. You either love Jose or hate him. Personally I think the man is class. Tactically he's up there with the best managers ever IMO.
Let's be honest mate,every manager moans when things don't go their way.
I don't think he treat Mata badly,he just didn't fancy him.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Granted his record is good for someone who spend big big money and played dull football at times , he has burn his bridges , where can he go next , PSG maybe and i dont like his big headed ways , parks the bus and enjoys it but when other teams park the bus he moans like crazy then there is the way he treats players , juan mata for example , he is going to get his own medicine soon

Im not Maureens biggest fan but his record cannot be knocked - he earned the right to pick and chose which clubs he could manage with his success at other clubs - even before Porto who was proving himself at União de Leiria.

He may not tactically be the best manager out there but man management wise and getting the best out of the players he is up there with the best.

He was a record Wenger would dream off and has won in 4 different countries as well as two CL

18 major titles as a manager ( not including super cups etc )

He may have done some awful things in the past in regards eye gouging and the treatment of refs etc but his record cannot be touched