jasondransfieldgolf
Challenge Tour Pro
I do believe they would change, you maybe talking 0.1 of a shot, which over the course of a season can make a big difference. Hard to put an exact figure on it though.
Are caddies needed?
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I do believe they would change, you maybe talking 0.1 of a shot, which over the course of a season can make a big difference. Hard to put an exact figure on it though.
Maninblack4612
Tour Winner
No I didn't. Please don't let the men start doing it!
snell
Journeyman Pro
Sorry for being a total nugget here...but what do you mean...as in the caddies correct there alignment pre shot?
njc1973
Head Pro
I agree that caddies make the job easier, I just don't think that they are necessary, they don't do anything that the player can't do himself. It may be more work but with a bit of planning I'm sure it could be done
The caddie stands behind the line to check that the player is correctly lined up, but then steps away so as not to infringe the assistance rule (14-2). Wastes a few seconds for every shot, and is particularly prevalent on the Ladies Pro Tours!
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HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
It's the only thing a caddy does that irks. Personally if a player can't align properly at that level they deserve the ball to go where it is aimed It definitely slows the game and needs looking (and banning). Other than that I think they are vital to a top player
snell
Journeyman Pro
The caddie stands behind the line to check that the player is correctly lined up, but then steps away so as not to infringe the assistance rule (14-2). Wastes a few seconds for every shot, and is particularly prevalent on the Ladies Pro Tours!
Cheers Del.
I had no idea this sort of thing went on...seems like cheating imo.
Rule 14-2 (assistance) only applies while the players are making their stroke at the ball. In my opinion is should apply from the moment it becomes the player's turn to play!
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Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
give em a buggy each and no caddy ,things could speed up a bit then .and the poor little darlings wont feel so tired cos they had a ride around the course instead of walking it.
drdel
Tour Rookie
When I started the post I wasn't having a go at caddies.
They undoubtedly work hard and some are very good.
In my mind the fact that a Caddy Union has evolved is, in a sense, why I think the question makes for a good debate - are they now part of the 'establishment' as so must be left untouched?
Golf is often praised as the sport where the player monitors his own transgressions and plays his own shots against the course and his opponent. Except that the Pros don't. The caddy is there as mentor etc.etc.
I think it has now reached a stage where the input is perhaps becoming a bit too much, delaying play and, potentially assisting shots.
They undoubtedly work hard and some are very good.
In my mind the fact that a Caddy Union has evolved is, in a sense, why I think the question makes for a good debate - are they now part of the 'establishment' as so must be left untouched?
Golf is often praised as the sport where the player monitors his own transgressions and plays his own shots against the course and his opponent. Except that the Pros don't. The caddy is there as mentor etc.etc.
I think it has now reached a stage where the input is perhaps becoming a bit too much, delaying play and, potentially assisting shots.
I as an OAP am still quite capable of carrying a full set of clubs around an 18 hole golf course, or pulling them around on a non-motorised trolley, so I am sure that a fit young tour pro could manage this! Maybe an exemption for seniors and lady golfers!
selwood90
Head Pro
Couldn't agree more delc! Would be interesting to see what impact it would have on them
ExRabbit
Club Champion
Maybe the Olympics should have two events - one with a caddie, and one without. That would be interesting! 
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
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In sure I read somewhere that they didn't want trolleys and buggies in pro golf due to lines everywhere in the course ruining the fantastic looking courses.
For me the biggest positive other than fatigue as Jason pointed out has to be support. Day 4 final round, playing in that group where your only conversation is against the guy your trying to beat would be intense, especially for 5 hours.
My take is that a caddy is a mate, someone to break the tension, someone to get your mind off it when pressure is building and get you back on track.
I do think the soon DMD's are used in competition and not just pre rounds the better
In sure I read somewhere that they didn't want trolleys and buggies in pro golf due to lines everywhere in the course ruining the fantastic looking courses.
For me the biggest positive other than fatigue as Jason pointed out has to be support. Day 4 final round, playing in that group where your only conversation is against the guy your trying to beat would be intense, especially for 5 hours.
My take is that a caddy is a mate, someone to break the tension, someone to get your mind off it when pressure is building and get you back on track.
I do think the soon DMD's are used in competition and not just pre rounds the better
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HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Add to that Sponsor commitments and signing autographs and there isn't much time left. The caddies still play a valuable role but should be restricted in some duties during competition, reading greens for example.
shewy
Journeyman Pro
I'm not having a pop at pro's with caddies here because If i could afford a caddie I'd have one too, but they don't really speed things up do they.
As for the burn out part what your saying there is they need to work 8/9 hours a day for 5 days consecutive? with travel, welcome to the real world, and they get paid a damn site more than the rest of us.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
They definitely don't speed things up, which is why I think on course duties should be restricted. The players need to take some responsibility back and make their own decisions...and stop saying things like "we hit a good shot" in interviews. Only one person hits the shot, there is no "we"
Capella
Journeyman Pro
I might be wrong, but I think in most cases even the lining up part is mostly psychological. I don't think it is because the players are not able to aign themselves correctly. It is more that the confirmation by the caddy helps them to commit to the shot and not doubt themselves.
One of the reasons that the caddies' role seems to be more and more that of an advisor could be that the players get younger and younger and in many cases it is even the father, mother or a coach who does the caddying.
One of the reasons that the caddies' role seems to be more and more that of an advisor could be that the players get younger and younger and in many cases it is even the father, mother or a coach who does the caddying.
Some lady pro golfers are indeed very 'fit' looking girls!I don't know you but I'd lay odds pro lady golfers are fitter than you are
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