Another AimPoint Convert

hovis said:
you have to admit that especially when playing in a football you have to wait for others to put as you have to command alot more of the green to get your readings. i suppose it depends on your usual routine. i use a routine i was shown by a tour player where as you spend little or no time reading the green and let your mind dictate pace and direction.
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I'd say you command less of the green, as you are not stalking the ball around 3 or 4 of the compass points.

Mind you it is possible to use your mind to see putts. If you play the same course often enough, you get to know the breaks and borrows, you can end up on the green in a similar place to previous rounds and you can remember what you did, so in your minds eye you can see the shot, you can see the green line appear on the green, showing you the line, then all you have to do is get the pace right.

That green line you sometimes see through memory, is what Mark Sweeney did through software for the Golf Channel, showing the watching public the line the pro should take, that is called Aimpoint.
 
Three said:
I'm only saying what I've observed but all the players using this have taken more time.

The problem comes when there are 2 putts close together. Normally both players can line up their putts at the same time, and player 2 is ready to go as soon as player 1 has played. Unfortunately when player 2 uses Aimpoint, he has to start his whole routine AFTER player 1 has putted, then it gets slower.

I guess those who don't understand how people can't read putts will never really get it.
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But that may happen once in a round if at all. If I play and I could walk on anyones line I judt don't do Aimpoint for that putt
 
I read enough of these threads on those who want to disprove Aimpoint and come up with scenarios of 'what if....' How can anyone try and disprove something with out proof? It was the same with DMDs, it'll slow the game down cos there trying to hit the pin with a shaky hand and taking 10 attempts to get a reading, but now they are going to be used on the PGA tour. The system is as quick or as slow as the individual makes it, just like any other green reading you want to do. With the changes that the RnA advocating and a lot on here spouting about ready golf some of the issues of the naysayers are resolved.

Haters are going to hate.
 
chrisd said:
There is no way that Aimpoint is taught that would necessitate slow play on putts. If your playing partners are that slow it's them, not the system
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MendieGK said:
100% agree.

come play with me @ Burnham and I guarantee you I'll have read my putt using AP express before you've finished reading your putt for bogey.
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Absolutely bang on. I can do a very accurate read in about 15 seconds. Far quicker than those that crouch for hours behind the ball or stalk it from both sides of the hole
 
Basically all the tour players that use it are rubbish with the exception of Z Johnson and Summerhays. The rest are exceptionally average to beyond awful. The fact they advertise it with Adam Scott is an embarrassment lets be honest.
 
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Only played with one person who was doing Aimpoint - didn't notice any time difference compared to how he was previously, also didn't improve his putting.

I expect it will be the same with most things - it won't turn you into a better putter.
 
Khamelion said:
Lets assume you have a 25ft putt, you stand at you ball and decide which side your line will be, you then walk a third way up take a reading say 2, walk two thirds up take a reading, say it's now a 3, back at you ball you line up for a 3, get you line and putt on that line. I was doing that this morning and it works, don't ask my why or what the physics behind it are, arcs, decelerating balls, increased break, whatever, it works.
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Never done the courses or anything but how does that help,you read the full putt? If you're only straddling it halfway or 2/3 of the way to the hole, how does it tell you the break right at the hole where it's going to break more if it's got a bit of a break on it?
Don't you ever feel like you're standing on your own line while you're doing the straddling thing.
 
snell said:
Yes.....?

So you think they're "rubbish players"?
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No I think they are rubbish putters when compared with the elite players that make up their competition on tour. Slight omission on my part there, but I thought that should be clear. They have a list of players using it on their website and the only ones where you would think are good to excellent putters are Johnson & Summerhays + potentially Stacy Lewis but I don't see enough LPGA to have a clear opinion on it.
 
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How does this work on double breakers and putts where the gradient is less/more severe near the hole?
I contacted Brian about this course late last year but decided against it in the end.
 
Hosel Fade said:
No I think they are rubbish putters when compared with the elite players that make up their competition on tour. Slight omission on my part there, but I thought that should be clear. They have a list of players using it on their website and the only ones where you would think are good to excellent putters are Johnson & Summerhays + potentially Stacy Lewis but I don't see enough LPGA to have a clear opinion on it.
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R rite yeah can't really argue with that looking at those stats!

I know Adam Scott picked up a bit when he first started using it and I think he got to world no.1.....never has such a beautiful swing been so let down by poor putting!
 
I've never played with an aimpoint player so I have no views on it as such. Saying that Adam Scott has been held back painfully by his putting and Rose is very hot and cold. If they are the key users then that is not a great advert. At least Sergio isn't using it 😁.

If it works for people then good luck to anyone trying it.
 
snell said:
I know Adam Scott picked up a bit when he first started using it and I think he got to world no.1.....never has such a beautiful swing been so let down by poor putting!
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I think that sums it all up for me, ie it's a method of reading greens for people who can't read greens, hence they should see some instant improvement.

I'm currently thinking now that the following is possibly true :
People who struggle to read greens normally do the Aimpoint course and suddenly find that they can read greens. Because it's the first time they've been able to do it, it's a great technique and they can't understand why everyone doesn't do it.

However, people who can read greens normally, ie see what we think are obvious slopes, can't understand how people can't read greens, hence when the aimpointers go on about this wonderful method, they're thinking "well that's nothing I can't and don't do on every putt with my eyes anyway".

Imagine if there was a training method to help people identify colours. All the colour blind people will be shouting from the rooftops how great it is, their only comprehension would be that colours are unidentifiable normally but now there is a single method to remedy this.
But the non-colour blind people would be wondering what all the fuss is about, "but I can see the colours anyway, and I can do that quicker than you.".

So then they would argue about the relevance of the method.
 
Three said:
I think that sums it all up for me, ie it's a method of reading greens for people who can't read greens, hence they should see some instant improvement.

I'm currently thinking now that the following is possibly true :
People who struggle to read greens normally do the Aimpoint course and suddenly find that they can read greens. Because it's the first time they've been able to do it, it's a great technique and they can't understand why everyone doesn't do it.

However, people who can read greens normally, ie see what we think are obvious slopes, can't understand how people can't read greens, hence when the aimpointers go on about this wonderful method, they're thinking "well that's nothing I can't and don't do on every putt with my eyes anyway".

Imagine if there was a training method to help people identify colours. All the colour blind people will be shouting from the rooftops how great it is, their only comprehension would be that colours are unidentifiable normally but now there is a single method to remedy this.
But the non-colour blind people would be wondering what all the fuss is about, "but I can see the colours anyway, and I can do that quicker than you.".

So then they would argue about the relevance of the method.
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Top post that mate :thup:

The pro who Dave done the course with is constantly raving about it on twitter and when I had a lesson with him last year he was really pushing it on me....but then again the money he's making from it clouds my judgement as to what he actually thinks about it.
 
I've played with a few people who use it, one of which was an absolute pain. One of the guys was so quick with it, it took a few holes before I could really say for sure he was using it.

I, occasionally, will try and feel the slope through my feet if its not obvious to the eye and my mind is saying there's something there.

I don't think there's much difference between some quirky pre-shot routines and Aimpoint. If it works for you, go for it.

Although I do wonder if its more to do with the extra practice people put in when learning the routine.
 
I have to be honest i can not read greens to save my life, no matter what advice i have been given i just cant do it. Aimpoint is something i am considering having a go at. Does anybody know of any courses being run around the Hampshire area ?
 
Ive used Aimpoint from it's early inception, I can read greens the normal way and have played for over 40yrs. The fact that some think it's for those who can't read greens is twaddle, and don't really know how it works or they think they do!

I wouldnt go back to normal green reading on a full time basis, have I done normal green reading since learning Aimpoint, yes, the more info I get and process the more chance of holing the putt, but I really solely rely on Aimpoint. But do I think that those who don't do Aimpoint are stupid? No, it's your choice. So why say those who do it have an inability to read greens? I could say buying these adjustable drivers are a complete waste of time, or that 90% have drivers that are 2" too long, and preach to those who have them, but each to their own.
 
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