And, we're off.....2016/17

[Deleted member 16999]

I think when it first happened they were worried that attendances would fall so would cost clubs money, or just as likely, less at the game makes less atmosphere therefor worse product and the whole idea fails.

Now it clearly works i think one of two things will have to happen, either more games are made available or clubs will icense their games individually. In spain Barca and Madrid take the lions share of sky money. Respect to the bigger names in England for not trying the same because quite obviously in regards to fan base there are clearly vast differences in the popularity of the clubs in the prem.

I think a lot of what's posted about streaming, whether that be football or movies, is that watching and not downloading are different, even copyright laws are civil offences and companies would have to prove loss of revenue and as I won't be paying to watch today, they've lost nothing.
By all means chase those making money off it, but until that time comes and it disappears, I'll get comfy in my armchair and enjoy.

 

[Tashyboy]

Not read the last dozen pages so apologies if it has been said but, if sky and BT were not charging a fortune then less people would be looking for alternative viewing sources. The costs have got astronomical.

Am not saying it is right, but people don't want to feel like they have had there pants down.

 

[Papas1982]

I think a lot of what's posted about streaming, whether that be football or movies, is that watching and not downloading are different, even copyright laws are civil offences and companies would have to prove loss of revenue and as I won't be paying to watch today, they've lost nothing.
By all means chase those making money off it, but until that time comes and it disappears, I'll get comfy in my armchair and enjoy.

My other half is a cinema manager and the introduction of digital films has quite clearly hit them.Piracy is so much easier and the content online now is clearly of a higher standard. #

The laws in the uk are still quite strict and cinemas have lots of practices to combat this, i doubt anyone really watches movies recorded on phones of recorded these days. The best copies are generally with Chinese or eastern European markers on where it appears they are less concerned with the laws.

 

[Papas1982]

Not read the last dozen pages so apologies if it has been said but, if sky and BT were not charging a fortune then less people would be looking for alternative viewing sources. The costs have got astronomical.

Am not saying it is right, but people don't want to feel like they have had there pants down.

How much was the average season ticket a decade ago? Have they reason at a slower rate than sky?

I think if people are streaming 3pm games as they aren't available then i can understand, but to put it down to cost isn't right imo.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not read the last dozen pages so apologies if it has been said but, if sky and BT were not charging a fortune then less people would be looking for alternative viewing sources. The costs have got astronomical.

Am not saying it is right, but people don't want to feel like they have had there pants down.

To be fair though Tash, I agree with Phil and others when a service is available to buy, the difference to me is when it's not available.

Simple supply and demand.

None of the 3pm kick offs are available to UK customers, so if it's on free to air channel in another Country then I will try and watch.

 

[MegaSteve]

Genuine question to anybody,

What offence am I committing if I (on my own) watch a free to air channel from another country on my computer via the internet?

Has the provider paid his dues? or Is he just ripping off a genuine provider?

 

[MegaSteve]

I believe it is very much like movie piracy. The people that are likely to be prosecuted are those that broadcast it.

As I said earlier, string 'em up by their private parts with cheese cutter wire...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Has the provider paid his dues? or Is he just ripping off a genuine provider?

I take your point, but still doesn't answer what offence, criminal or civil, am I committing.

 

[MegaSteve]

Not read the last dozen pages so apologies if it has been said but, if sky and BT were not charging a fortune then less people would be looking for alternative viewing sources. The costs have got astronomical.

Am not saying it is right, but people don't want to feel like they have had there pants down.

Back in the day did you buy your car stereo from the geezer in the pub car park?
After all no one is loosing out... The insurance should have it all covered...

 

[MegaSteve]

I take your point, but still doesn't answer what offence, criminal or civil, am I committing.

I am not a lawyer....

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Back in the day did you buy your car stereo from the geezer in the pub car park?
After all no one is loosing out... The insurance should have it all covered...

Everytime you've broken the speed limit (by accident or design) have you voluntarily handed yourself in and paid the fine?

 

[Hobbit]

I can't afford to be a member at Kingsbarns but I'll sneak on at twilight. I am a member of the SGU and I do pay subs elsewhere. And I'm not hurting anyone.

If we're dealing in weak justifications, "kingsy on den," you can't touch me.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I can't afford to be a member at Kingsbarns but I'll sneak on at twilight. I am a member of the SGU and I do pay subs elsewhere. And I'm not hurting anyone.

If we're dealing in weak justifications, "kingsy on den," you can't touch me.

Maybe it's being a bit pedantic Bri, but there is a difference between choosing not to pay for something and that something not being made available.

Are any of us really that 100% clean?

 

[MegaSteve]

Maybe it's being a bit pedantic Bri, but there is a difference between choosing not to pay for something and that something not being made available.

Are any of us really that 100% clean?

Never knowingly taken something that wasn't mine to have...

But I have, on occasion, knowingly driven above the speed limit and not handed myself in for prosecution...

So No, I am not Mr Perfect..

 

[MegaSteve]

Anyway back to footie...

Heard that some Gooners are hoping for their team to lose today so they can give their Wenger Out banners another airing... Can't quite get my head around that...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Never knowingly taken something that wasn't mine to have...

But I have, on occasion, knowingly driven above the speed limit and not handed myself in for prosecution...

So No, I am not Mr Perfect..

We all have grey areas mate, just some wider than others. :thup:

And if the streams are closed down I'll have no issue with it and campaign for Ceefax to come back

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Anyway back to footie...

Heard that some Gooners are hoping for their team to lose today so they can give their Wenger Out banners another airing... Can't quite get my head around that...

Still think Arsenal could be a decent outside bet for the Cup, that'll really split the Arsenal fans over Wenger then, but could also give Arsene a chance to leave as a winning manager.

 

[MegaSteve]

Still think Arsenal could be a decent outside bet for the Cup, that'll really split the Arsenal fans over Wenger then, but could also give Arsene a chance to leave as a winning manager.

Genuinely believe Arsene has been rattled by the level of discontent from the fans at present... He's had to face it before, but not quite to this level... So no, I won't be surprised if, this time, he walks of his on volition.. And, would really like it to be after him lifting the Cup one more time..

 

[sawtooth]

Anyway back to footie...

Heard that some Gooners are hoping for their team to lose today so they can give their Wenger Out banners another airing... Can't quite get my head around that...

Neither can I but these pathetic morons are in the minority.

Most Gooners will definitely not be wanting Arsenal to lose today. :thup:

 

[The Evertonian]

Still think Arsenal could be a decent outside bet for the Cup, that'll really split the Arsenal fans over Wenger then, but could also give Arsene a chance to leave as a winning manager.

They can't be an outside bet when they're 3/1 joint favourites.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they went on to win it, they have become a cup side over the last decade or so.