And, we're off.....2016/17

[Deleted member 15344]

I was a Sky customer for over 20 years, and for the majority of that time the subscription was fair and in line with other leisure costs/bills. However sadly that is no longer the case and the cost has become extremely disproportionate.

The majority of the money is paid straight to players, and hardly anything is put back into developing the game or grass roots.

Furthermore Sky hardly produce any of their own content, merely relying on others.

Streaming gives me the opportunity to watch the live football matches that I want to watch at 3 pm on a Saturday. Sky don't provide that.

In addition Sky tried to shaft me when my deal came to an end by offering me one that was totally uncompetitive. It was only after I bought an android and left, did they offer me a deal that was cheaper than anything I had paid before. By that time it was too late. If Sky had treated me better as a loyal customer I would have stayed. However if that's how they treat customers then what do they expect ?
As it turns out it's worked out better due to the choice I now have.

Do I have any remorse? None whatsoever, and each time I stream an event from Sky I have a smile on my face. Sky tried to turn me over, now it's my turn to return the favour....

Doesn't matter what you say or indeed anyone says - if you want the service they provide then you must pay for it.

If you think it's too expensive and not worth the price then don't pay but also you don't get to watch it.

The price of everything goes up these days - if you can't afford to pay it then again you don't get to watch it.

Unless it's a free service offered then you pay the going rate. Trying to find some moral route doesn't give any justification.

Both myself and my wife work within media companies affected by illegal streaming - we are working at stronger ways to block them with our customers and I'm glad this court order happens because and the end of the day it's theft and there is no such thing as a victimless crime.

If there is something I want to watch and I need to pay for it then I'll pay what's needed. If I can get a deal then great but il still pay the fee.

I'll be smiling when the boxes and streams get stopped. Who knows more paying customers might bring the bills down

 

[Jensen]

I'll be smiling when the boxes and streams get stopped. Who knows more paying customers might bring the bills down

Ha, ha, ha I've split my sides laughing, I'm on my way to A&E now.

Surely you're not that naive.....

 

[MegaSteve]

Because why should people avoid paying the required price for something ? ....

Something we can agree on... The folk providing the 'illegal streams' should be strung up by their private parts... And that, hopefully, would put an end to it...


Not a topic for the footie thread though...

 

[clubchamp98]

Seen a very good interview with Joe Hart on the premier League show last night .
He seems to be enjoying playing in Italy , but you could tell it hurt to lose his home club no1 place.
He did not rule out a return to the prem but does Pep want him if not a lot of Liverpool fans would welcome him to Anfield.
Have always thought he was a great keeper which we could do with at the moment.
Do any City fans think the keepers you have at the moment really are better than Joe Hart because I don't.
It does state that With Buffoon reaching 40 next year Juventas might be keeping an eye on him as he is already used to the way of life, languages etc.
Worth a watch on iplayer BBC 2.

 

[richy]

Doesn't matter what you say or indeed anyone says - if you want the service they provide then you must pay for it.

If you think it's too expensive and not worth the price then don't pay but also you don't get to watch it.

The price of everything goes up these days - if you can't afford to pay it then again you don't get to watch it.

Unless it's a free service offered then you pay the going rate. Trying to find some moral route doesn't give any justification.

Both myself and my wife work within media companies affected by illegal streaming - we are working at stronger ways to block them with our customers and I'm glad this court order happens because and the end of the day it's theft and there is no such thing as a victimless crime.

If there is something I want to watch and I need to pay for it then I'll pay what's needed. If I can get a deal then great but il still pay the fee.

I'll be smiling when the boxes and streams get stopped. Who knows more paying customers might bring the bills down

You are the complete model citizen.

 

[One Planer]

Doesn't matter what you say or indeed anyone says - if you want the service they provide then you must pay for it.

If you think it's too expensive and not worth the price then don't pay but also you don't get to watch it.

The price of everything goes up these days - if you can't afford to pay it then again you don't get to watch it.

Unless it's a free service offered then you pay the going rate. Trying to find some moral route doesn't give any justification.

Both myself and my wife work within media companies affected by illegal streaming - we are working at stronger ways to block them with our customers and I'm glad this court order happens because and the end of the day it's theft and there is no such thing as a victimless crime.

If there is something I want to watch and I need to pay for it then I'll pay what's needed. If I can get a deal then great but il still pay the fee.

I'll be smiling when the boxes and streams get stopped. Who knows more paying customers might bring the bills down

Yes, because Sky's customer base has not grown at all over the last 20 years

Has the cost of a Sky subscription dropped in line with their growing customer base over the same period?

 

[stokie_93]

Seen a very good interview with Joe Hart on the premier League show last night .
He seems to be enjoying playing in Italy , but you could tell it hurt to lose his home club no1 place.
He did not rule out a return to the prem but does Pep want him if not a lot of Liverpool fans would welcome him to Anfield.
Have always thought he was a great keeper which we could do with at the moment.
Do any City fans think the keepers you have at the moment really are better than Joe Hart because I don't.
It does state that With Buffoon reaching 40 next year Juventas might be keeping an eye on him as he is already used to the way of life, languages etc.
Worth a watch on iplayer BBC 2.

.
read the write up of it rather than the video.

I admire Joe Hart for what a model professional he is. Knuckles down with his game and doesn't get detracted away from his performances by the media etc.

Even as a non Man City fan you had to feel sorry for how it was dealt with when Pep moved in but as Hart himself pointed out his face just didn't fit the bill for Pep.

He's not quite on the level of De Gea, Cech, Courtois, Lloris etc but he is a very good goalkeeper and would easily get in the majority of Premiership teams.
I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at one of the Merseyside teams or even someone like Palace, West Ham etc.

 

[The Evertonian]

So because a company is doing well it's ok to steal from them ?

There is no justification for it - if someone wants to watch the subscription sport then pay for it. Regardless of how well the sport is doing not paying for it when it's required is theft.

So if I have a sky subscription and a fire stick to stream games on am I still thieving?
Sky don't always provide me with the games I want to watch, why should I pay a subscription then be dictated to as to what I can and can't watch?
Streaming equates to choice...Power to the people!!!

 

[Kellfire]

So if I have a sky subscription and a fire stick to stream games on am I still thieving?
Sky don't always provide me with the games I want to watch, why should I pay a subscription then be dictated to as to what I can and can't watch?
Streaming equates to choice...Power to the people!!!

You're stealing from which company is broadcasting in that regard. Might be Sky, might be a company in a different company. But you're still illegally accessing it.

 

[The Evertonian]

You're stealing from which company is broadcasting in that regard. Might be Sky, might be a company in a different company. But you're still illegally accessing it.

I'll pop a silly hat on and you can call me Robin Hood:thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You're stealing from which company is broadcasting in that regard. Might be Sky, might be a company in a different company. But you're still illegally accessing it.

If I am watching a match on a Middle East TV station via the internet, who am I stealing it from, the PL have received their money, Sky have received theirs and it's broadcast free in said country, who am I stealing from?

Different watching matches broadcast on Sky in UK and not paying, I agree it's theft.

Today Everton v WBA is not available to me on TV to pay for, so I will search for a foreign channel to watch it.

If I could pay to watch it on TV I would.

Surely it can only be theft if I was dodging paying.

Why do other countries get to show games for free that we can't access.

Maybe there is a difference between illegal download and theft? Can anyone explain?

Not expecting you to have all the answers, just don't think it's as straightforward as making Sky out to be a victim.

 

[The Evertonian]

If I am watching a match on a Middle East TV station via the internet, who am I stealing it from, the PL have received their money, Sky have received theirs and it's broadcast free in said country, who am I stealing from?

Different watching matches broadcast on Sky in UK and not paying, I agree it's theft.

Today Everton v WBA is not available to me on TV to pay for, so I will search for a foreign channel to watch it.

If I could pay to watch it on TV I would.

Surely it can only be theft if I was dodging paying.

Why do other countries get to show games for free that we can't access.

Maybe there is a difference between illegal download and theft? Can anyone explain?

Not expecting you to have all the answers, just don't think it's as straightforward as making Sky out to be a victim.

I'm off down County Road to Goodison this afternoon, don't you dare stream it after I've paid for my ticket :blah:

Seriously though...do you fancy us for the win today mate?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm off down County Road to Goodison this afternoon, don't you dare stream it after I've paid for my ticket :blah:

Seriously though...do you fancy us for the win today mate?

If I can't get a good picture you'll have to facetime or periscope it :rofl:

Be happy with a 1-0 win, but hopefully it'll be a bit more convincing, need to get back to winning and creating a gap over them in 8th.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So if I have a sky subscription and a fire stick to stream games on am I still thieving?
Sky don't always provide me with the games I want to watch, why should I pay a subscription then be dictated to as to what I can and can't watch?
Streaming equates to choice...Power to the people!!!

The only companies that are legally allowed to televise live premier league football in this country are sky and bt - watching it live via any other method is illegal.

Sky and BT also are only allowed to televise a certain amount of games and right now they are not allowed to broadcast any live games at 3pm on the Saturday

We would all love to watch every single game whenever we but legally we can't - it doesn't make someone a bad person because the believe someone illegally watching the sport is wrong - I pay my subscription to watch the sport , if the game I want to watch isn't on then I'll listen to it on the radio or wait for highlights

All the streaming etc is just the typical of modern "want but won't pay" society we live in

 

[Papas1982]

If I am watching a match on a Middle East TV station via the internet, who am I stealing it from, the PL have received their money, Sky have received theirs and it's broadcast free in said country, who am I stealing from?

Different watching matches broadcast on Sky in UK and not paying, I agree it's theft.

Today Everton v WBA is not available to me on TV to pay for, so I will search for a foreign channel to watch it.

If I could pay to watch it on TV I would.

Surely it can only be theft if I was dodging paying.

Why do other countries get to show games for free that we can't access.

Maybe there is a difference between illegal download and theft? Can anyone explain?

Not expecting you to have all the answers, just don't think it's as straightforward as making Sky out to be a victim.

The original ruling in regards to live tv was to make sure that tv figures didn't affect attendances. So for you're argument i suppose you could say that the you are stealing from the clubs (not that i think you are). Personally think the tv deals should now include 3pm kick offs as with all todays modern tech, people want to be able to view he games an dunless there is a legal way, people will circumvent the rules.

I pay for sky and bt and don't begrudge either.But will stream 3pm games if i'm not going to the game as i can't see them any other way,

 

[The Evertonian]

The only companies that are legally allowed to televise live premier league football in this country are sky and bt - watching it live via any other method is illegal.

Sky and BT also are only allowed to televise a certain amount of games and right now they are not allowed to broadcast any live games at 3pm on the Saturday

We would all love to watch every single game whenever we but legally we can't - it doesn't make someone a bad person because the believe someone illegally watching the sport is wrong - I pay my subscription to watch the sport , if the game I want to watch isn't on then I'll listen to it on the radio or wait for highlights

All the streaming etc is just the typical of modern "want but won't pay" society we live in

But I do pay. I paid my sky subscription, I paid for my ticket today, I paid for my firestick and I paid my internet subscription.
I pay my way, this doesn't always get me what I want. I'm not hurting anyone, I'll stream with a free conscience. Infact I won't even mention it next time I go to confession 🙄

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The only companies that are legally allowed to televise live premier league football in this country are sky and bt - watching it live via any other method is illegal.

Sky and BT also are only allowed to televise a certain amount of games and right now they are not allowed to broadcast any live games at 3pm on the Saturday

We would all love to watch every single game whenever we but legally we can't - it doesn't make someone a bad person because the believe someone illegally watching the sport is wrong - I pay my subscription to watch the sport , if the game I want to watch isn't on then I'll listen to it on the radio or wait for highlights

All the streaming etc is just the typical of modern "want but won't pay" society we live in

You've switched your position, you accussed people of theft now no mention of theft just the term illegal.

Genuine question to anybody,

What offence am I committing if I (on my own) watch a free to air channel from another country on my computer via the internet?

I will happily pay for what I want and do, nothing to do with the "want but won't pay" society.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The original ruling in regards to live tv was to make sure that tv figures didn't affect attendances. So for you're argument i suppose you could say that the you are stealing from the clubs (not that i think you are). Personally think the tv deals should now include 3pm kick offs as with all todays modern tech, people want to be able to view he games an dunless there is a legal way, people will circumvent the rules.

I pay for sky and bt and don't begrudge either.But will stream 3pm games if i'm not going to the game as i can't see them any other way,

Same for me, full Sky and BT package still,
I understand people or pubs who make money from it is wrong, why should they make a profit from someone elses product, they should pay their way, just don't see how a private individual in their home can be accussed of theft? Who's the victim? Clubs will get their money regardless whether 1 or 1 million people see it.

 

[Papas1982]

Same for me, full Sky and BT package still,
I understand people or pubs who make money from it is wrong, why should they make a profit from someone elses product, they should pay their way, just don't see how a private individual in their home can be accussed of theft? Who's the victim? Clubs will get their money regardless whether 1 or 1 million people see it.

I think when it first happened they were worried that attendances would fall so would cost clubs money, or just as likely, less at the game makes less atmosphere therefor worse product and the whole idea fails.

Now it clearly works i think one of two things will have to happen, either more games are made available or clubs will icense their games individually. In spain Barca and Madrid take the lions share of sky money. Respect to the bigger names in England for not trying the same because quite obviously in regards to fan base there are clearly vast differences in the popularity of the clubs in the prem.

 

[Papas1982]

You've switched your position, you accussed people of theft now no mention of theft just the term illegal.

Genuine question to anybody,

What offence am I committing if I (on my own) watch a free to air channel from another country on my computer via the internet?

I will happily pay for what I want and do, nothing to do with the "want but won't pay" society.

I believe it is very much like movie piracy. The people that are likely to be prosecuted are those that broadcast it.