And, we're off.....2016/17

[Fish]

Rooney must have eyes in the back of his head because the footage of the alleged stamp from Ming's clearly shows Rooney looking the other way screaming at the ref.

Then he has the audacity to call the FA to give retrospective punishment.

I never had him down as a midnight mass.

I said it immediately after his interview when he was asked, 'if he'd seen it', he said, 'yes, I was right there and there's no place in the game for that', and yet he had his back to the incident throughout appealing to the ref, 100% liar 😡

 

[sawtooth]

I known our issues and even mentioned them and my point wasn't about Liverpool it was about Arsenal

Can't see where in that post I was being confident or bullish about Liverpool and certainly don't say anything about champions elect ?! Are you reading something that isn't there or just avoiding the issues of your own club - again.

I'm still confused how your manager can drop his best player because he wants the team to play more direct ( even better for Sanchez instead of Iwobi ) and then doesn't play direct ?!

Manager sat on his backside the whole match showing no effort to motivate the team and that transfers onto the team - no fight , no effort and no leadership . We are playing poorly right now and it was perfect for Arsenal to go at us straight from the whistle - yet nothing from them - as Keown said , it was pathetic , worst he has seen for 20 years and he is worried for Arsenal - miss out on CL and that could have a crippling effect on the club

i was referring to your mood rather than actual words used. Strangely quiet and not not so opinionated when Liverpool lose but have much more to say about rivals after a win or two.

My stance doesn't change from game to game as I appreciate the work Wenger has done and continues to do.

So many people on here will switch from being champions one week to the world is ending the next. I prefer to take the ups and downs as they come each week and look at the big picture at the end of the year. Top 4 and a trophy is still a reality for us.

Question, do you think it's easy to finish top 4 in the PL

If the answer to above is no then how can you knock Wenger for doing this for the past 20 years running.

If the answer is yes, why have Liverpool only managed it a handful of times, struggled last year and making it difficult this year?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I said it immediately after his interview when he was asked, 'if he'd seen it', he said, 'yes, I was right there and there's no place in the game for that', and yet he had his back to the incident throughout appealing to the ref, 100% liar 😡

I've only just seen it on SSN.

Amazingly though he never saw Zlatan's elbow. The size of Zlatan he deserves a 3match ban for falling over from Surman's push.

I'm not sure Mings meant to stamp on Zlatan's head I'd be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt but Zlatan's elbow was definitely meant.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

i was referring to your mood rather than actual words used. Strangely quiet and not not so opinionated when Liverpool lose but have much more to say about rivals after a win or two.

My stance doesn't change from game to game as I appreciate the work Wenger has done and continues to do.

So many people on here will switch from being champions one week to the world is ending the next. I prefer to take the ups and downs as they come each week and look at the big picture at the end of the year. Top 4 and a trophy is still a reality for us.

Question, do you think it's easy to finish top 4 in the PL

If the answer to above is no then how can you knock Wenger for doing this for the past 20 years running.

If the answer is yes, why have Liverpool only managed it a handful of times, struggled last year and making it difficult this year?

Why do you always feel the need to bring Liverpool or Chelsea into the conversation whenever Arsenal/ Wenger are spoken about?

 

[Fish]

I've only just seen it on SSN.

Amazingly though he never saw Zlatan's elbow. The size of Zlatan he deserves a 3match ban for falling over from Surman's push.

I'm not sure Mings meant to stamp on Zlatan's head I'd be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt but Zlatan's elbow was definitely meant.

I must say I've changed my opinion of it like Danny Mills has, it's impossible to prove any intent and could well have been accidental, especially as I think there's a bit of contact as Rooney starts to get up at the same time Mings is trying to hurdle Zlatan which restricts where he can place his foot and then catches him, whereas Zlatans elbow is pure intent and retaliation, I was amazed Zlatan didn't get booked when he threw Mings to the ground early doors right in view of the ref!

 

[pokerjoke]

I must say I've changed my opinion of it like Danny Mills has, it's impossible to prove any intent and could well have been accidental, especially as I think there's a bit of contact as Rooney starts to get up at the same time Mings is trying to hurdle Zlatan which restricts where he can place his foot and then catches him, whereas Zlatans elbow is pure intent and retaliation, I was amazed Zlatan didn't get booked when he threw Mings to the ground early doors right in view of the ref!

:rofl:your getting obsessed with Utd and Zlatan now:ears:

 

[fundy]

Why do you always feel the need to bring Liverpool or Chelsea into the conversation whenever Arsenal/ Wenger are spoken about?

think that applies to at least one Liverpool fan on here when it suits them too

 

[MegaSteve]

Get well soon Santi...

Missing you....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

i was referring to your mood rather than actual words used. Strangely quiet and not not so opinionated when Liverpool lose but have much more to say about rivals after a win or two.

My stance doesn't change from game to game as I appreciate the work Wenger has done and continues to do.

So many people on here will switch from being champions one week to the world is ending the next. I prefer to take the ups and downs as they come each week and look at the big picture at the end of the year. Top 4 and a trophy is still a reality for us.

Question, do you think it's easy to finish top 4 in the PL

If the answer to above is no then how can you knock Wenger for doing this for the past 20 years running.

If the answer is yes, why have Liverpool only managed it a handful of times, struggled last year and making it difficult this year?

How do you know my mood ? Right now I'm extremely disappointed because of the way we have been since Xmas - annoyed about it all.

I didn't go into hiding when we lose unlike yourself who did a Houdini act after the Bayern match

It's not about what is easy or hard - it's hard to win any game

I will take Liverpools CL record over Arsenal's over the last 20 years - reason why - because we actually won it and challenge for it on a number of occasions. Would you prefer the Arsenal record

 

[fundy]

How do you know my mood ? Right now I'm extremely disappointed because of the way we have been since Xmas - annoyed about it all.

I didn't go into hiding when we lose unlike yourself who did a Houdini act after the Bayern match

It's not about what is easy or hard - it's hard to win any game

I will take Liverpools CL record over Arsenal's over the last 20 years - reason why - because we actually won it and challenge for it on a number of occasions. Would you prefer the Arsenal record

id take Arsenals total record over the last 20 years than Liverpools

 

[sawtooth]

I've only just seen it on SSN.

Amazingly though he never saw Zlatan's elbow. The size of Zlatan he deserves a 3match ban for falling over from Surman's push.

I'm not sure Mings meant to stamp on Zlatan's head I'd be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt but Zlatan's elbow was definitely meant.

That's how i see it too, think the FA will let Mings off but Zlatan will get a ban.

My first thought and I might have this wrong but it looked like Zlatan swung his elbow and in the furore that followed was pointing at his own head as if to say "did you see what he did to me first".

 

[Slime]

How about this;
If he plays FOR United, he's obviously guilty and should get at least a three game retrospective ban for anything caught on camera.
If he plays AGAINST United, give him the benefit of the doubt as 'only he knows' whether the unfotunate incident was intentional or not.


That'll keep most of 'em happy.

 

[sawtooth]

Why do you always feel the need to bring Liverpool or Chelsea into the conversation whenever Arsenal/ Wenger are spoken about?

It depends on what is being said and by who. Fundamentally though, Chelsea and City with their massive external wealth has changed the footballing landscape so it's pretty impossible not to mention them as it has had massive impact on Arsenal and other clubs inc. Liverpool.

Is it wrong for me to say that without City and Chelsea's money that Arsenal would have won more PL titles over the past 12 years. I really don't think so.

Question to you, yes or no?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

How about this;
If he plays FOR United, he's obviously guilty and should get at least a three game retrospective ban for anything caught on camera.
If he plays AGAINST United, give him the benefit of the doubt as 'only he knows' whether the unfotunate incident was intentional or not.


That'll keep most of 'em happy.

What a load of Tosh.

You may want to believe it's the case but my opinion of what I've just seen is exactly what I posted previously irrespective of who the teams involved.

Yes I have a dislike of Yernited but I don't let that cloud my opinion unlike some.

 

[sawtooth]

How do you know my mood ? Right now I'm extremely disappointed because of the way we have been since Xmas - annoyed about it all.

I didn't go into hiding when we lose unlike yourself who did a Houdini act after the Bayern match

It's not about what is easy or hard - it's hard to win any game

I will take Liverpools CL record over Arsenal's over the last 20 years - reason why - because we actually won it and challenge for it on a number of occasions. Would you prefer the Arsenal record

I expected a politicians answer and you didn't disappoint.

Yes or No? Difficult or Not to finish top 4.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It depends on what is being said and by who. Fundamentally though, Chelsea and City with their massive external wealth has changed the footballing landscape so it's pretty impossible not to mention them as it has had massive impact on Arsenal and other clubs inc. Liverpool.

Is it wrong for me to say that without City and Chelsea's money that Arsenal would have won more PL titles over the past 12 years. I really don't think so.

Question to you, yes or no?

It seems whenever Arsenal or wenger is criticised, your stock response is " well Klopp isn't.... Or Liverpool haven't..... Or any other response " rather than debating the point.

Maybe Its just an armchair fan thing.
Answer to your question is no but you can't be so ignorant and call their success as false or a lie.

 

[clubchamp98]

Nice to see the scousers posting again.
Funny how they seem overly busy when they aren't winning

Think you will find I did post after the loss to Leicster

post #8215.
I was very critical of reds
and congratulated Licester.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

think that applies to at least one Liverpool fan on here when it suits them too

Ive never seen his posts

 

[sawtooth]

It seems whenever Arsenal or wenger is criticised, your stock response is " well Klopp isn't.... Or Liverpool haven't..... Or any other response " rather than debating the point.

Maybe Its just an armchair fan thing.
Answer to your question is no but you can't be so ignorant and call their success as false or a lie.

I don't see a lot of debating going on though mate. Goading and sniping yes, debating no.

If someone asks Why did Wenger not start with Sanchez? then fair enough.

But usually it's same old same old Wenger . doesn't even start his best player what a knob? Going backwards ha ha , groundhog day.

You see my point? It's not exactly the house of Lords is it? The Red Lion more like.

 

[Imurg]

That's how i see it too, think the FA will let Mings off but Zlatan will get a ban.

My first thought and I might have this wrong but it looked like Zlatan swung his elbow and in the furore that followed was pointing at his own head as if to say "did you see what he did to me first".

Didn't the ref have a long chat with Zlatan after the incident?
It's going to depend on what he puts in his report
If he says he saw it and dealt with it as he saw it, is there anything the FA can do..?
Don't know, just asking....