And, we're off.....2016/17

[ger147]

Even if he makes top 4? and possibly FA cup?

What are you expecting exactly?

Klopp, Poch or Mourinho make top 4 this year and they roll out the red carpet.

Yet if Wenger does it you would get rid of him? Serious question if you were the Chairman would you sack Wenger?

He won't make top 4, get your bets on now before the odds get any less favourable.

 

[clubchamp98]

Wish he was our most dangerous player, but I'm a Middlesbrough fan.

Oh that's unfortunate.
Ihoped he would come here but he chose Arsenal at the time .
He is a quality player that can make something out of nothing.
would still have him now with Mane they would be a fab front two.

Liverpool really need top four to get the best players for next season as I think Klopp has the money but need C/L to attract the best.

 

[Hobbit]

Even if he makes top 4? and possibly FA cup?

What are you expecting exactly?

Klopp, Poch or Mourinho make top 4 this year and they roll out the red carpet.

Yet if Wenger does it you would get rid of him? Serious question if you were the Chairman would you sack Wenger?

Yes I'd sack him because I'd have more ambition than 4th. Arsenal are a bigger club than Liverpool, just, and way bigger than Tottenham. Lack of ambition is dragging them down to their level, not up to a Chelsea and Man City level.

We've done the finance thing to death tonight. If you include the spending on the new stadium and on transfers, you've spent more than Chelsea. And as you said in the close season , the ground is paid for. But where is the guts to push on in the transfer market and on the field? And splitting hairs, I do question some of Wenger's decisions in the last 2 seasons. Increasingly, his team choices are questionable. Cech in the CL, and more so this season with some of his Saturday choices.

Don't get me wrong, I'd sooner Arsenal won the league than anyone else in the top 6 at present. This isn't an Arsenal dig, far from it, its an ambition to see Arsenal do better, and I can't see that anymore under Wenger.

 

[Fish]

Yes I'd sack him because I'd have more ambition than 4th. Arsenal are a bigger club than Liverpool, just, and way bigger than Tottenham. Lack of ambition is dragging them down to their level, not up to a Chelsea and Man City level.

We've done the finance thing to death tonight. If you include the spending on the new stadium and on transfers, you've spent more than Chelsea. And as you said in the close season , the ground is paid for. But where is the guts to push on in the transfer market and on the field? And splitting hairs, I do question some of Wenger's decisions in the last 2 seasons. Increasingly, his team choices are questionable. Cech in the CL, and more so this season with some of his Saturday choices.

Don't get me wrong, I'd sooner Arsenal won the league than anyone else in the top 6 at present. This isn't an Arsenal dig, far from it, its an ambition to see Arsenal do better, and I can't see that anymore under Wenger.

And the thing is Bri, if Arsenal miraculously hung on to 4th it would only be because Liverpool & United are still feeling their feet with new players and management, something you can't excuse Arsenal with, and as sure as chickens lay eggs, Liverpool & United will get better, they will buy well and will feature next season even stronger, but you wouldn't expect Arsenal to, history has taught us that, same old same old and they'll get left behind competing with Everton for 6th & 7th.

 

[USER1999]

Yes I'd sack him because I'd have more ambition than 4th. Arsenal are a bigger club than Liverpool, just, and way bigger than Tottenham. Lack of ambition is dragging them down to their level, not up to a Chelsea and Man City level.

We've done the finance thing to death tonight. If you include the spending on the new stadium and on transfers, you've spent more than Chelsea. And as you said in the close season , the ground is paid for. But where is the guts to push on in the transfer market and on the field? And splitting hairs, I do question some of Wenger's decisions in the last 2 seasons. Increasingly, his team choices are questionable. Cech in the CL, and more so this season with some of his Saturday choices.

Don't get me wrong, I'd sooner Arsenal won the league than anyone else in the top 6 at present. This isn't an Arsenal dig, far from it, its an ambition to see Arsenal do better, and I can't see that anymore under Wenger.

I agree, but you forgot to mention the wage bill. Its not far short of City's, and way more than Tottenhams. Some of those players are hugely over paid. Thats Wengers fault too. Cant shift them on, and they are not good enough, and never were.

 

[Hobbit]

And the thing is Bri, if Arsenal miraculously hung on to 4th it would only be because Liverpool & United are still feeling their feet with new players and management, something you can't excuse Arsenal with, and as sure as chickens lay eggs, Liverpool & United will get better, they will buy well and will feature next season even stronger, but you wouldn't expect Arsenal to, history has taught us that, same old same old and they'll get left behind competing with Everton for 6th & 7th.

Utd, and Everton only need to score a few more goals and they'll be ahead of Arsenal. Their defence is better than Arsenal's. And Tottenham, if they can keep their stars are a young team that will only get better.

Arsenal are doing a Man Utd. Their team will fade at the same time their (once stellar) manager leaves. Its so plain its up in flashing neon lights.

 

[sawtooth]

Yes I'd sack him because I'd have more ambition than 4th. Arsenal are a bigger club than Liverpool, just, and way bigger than Tottenham. Lack of ambition is dragging them down to their level, not up to a Chelsea and Man City level.

We've done the finance thing to death tonight. If you include the spending on the new stadium and on transfers, you've spent more than Chelsea. And as you said in the close season , the ground is paid for. But where is the guts to push on in the transfer market and on the field? And splitting hairs, I do question some of Wenger's decisions in the last 2 seasons. Increasingly, his team choices are questionable. Cech in the CL, and more so this season with some of his Saturday choices.

Don't get me wrong, I'd sooner Arsenal won the league than anyone else in the top 6 at present. This isn't an Arsenal dig, far from it, its an ambition to see Arsenal do better, and I can't see that anymore under Wenger.

Arsenal have ambition in spades we just can't compete with the best and there's no shame in that as far as I am concerned.

 

[Papas1982]

Arsenal have ambition in spades we just can't compete with the best and there's no shame in that as far as I am concerned.

You paid how much for sanchez and ozil?

if you bought less youngetsers form Europe and over paid them. You could put the mi year towards superstars.

You can compete financially woth most. Your manager won't. There in lies the problem. He's scared to make a mistake in the market so plays safe.

 

[fundy]

cant compete financially? we paid more for Xhaka than Chelsea paid for Kante lol

 

[Fish]

cant compete financially? we paid more for Xhaka than Chelsea paid for Kante lol

I know, it's the thread that just keeps giving 😜😂

 

[fundy]

I know, it's the thread that just keeps giving 😜😂

youve bought plenty of duds too, dont overdo it

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Great display from the Reds.
But couldn't believe you left your most dangerous player on the bench.
Liverpool overran Arsenal first half and it could have been over by half time.
Good fight back by Arsenal second half but it is obvious there is problems with the balance of the team.
Apart from the goal I can only remember Minolet making one save.
If Firminno had stayed on his feet instead of trying for penalty and gave the ball away but three passes later it's in our net.
Good goal but was preventable.
We have given to many goals like that away this season.
Only real frustration is consistency where was that team against Leicster.

Clyne was at fault for the goal, he should've been goal side of Welbeck.

Clyne is a weak link in our side, defensively poor and his final balls are poor. I'd happily jib him in the summer.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Arsenal have ambition in spades we just can't compete with the best and there's no shame in that as far as I am concerned.

How exactly have they shown this ambition ? By paying big wages for the big players ? By spending the required money on the players required ?

Is it not all words - I still can't understand how Wenger wouldn't play Sanchez and play Iwobi who surely is committing fraud by claiming a Premier League wage !

Whilst we have issues against the smaller sides , Arsenal once again when it comes to the big game fail horribly.

Arsenal have managed to grab a CL spot over the last couple of years mainly due to the ineptitude of the others - Liverpool , Utd and Spurs over the last 5 years just havent consistently been good enough to be in the Top 4 - now though there is 6 teams looking at a Top 4 spot so every point counts - that was a big game for both tonight - Arsenal in that game had their most dangerous playing sat on the bench. Arsenal to me because of Wenger are going backwards - spent poorly again in the summer and I hope that's Wenger stays because for me if he will take them further backwards.

Most expensive tickets in the Prem and nothing to show for it

 

[merv79]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:.
You are either trolling, being ironic or just mentally barren ................... which is it?

Mings did clip him as he was trying to get past him but I don't think it was intentional or trying to hurt Ibra. Lets see what the FA decide to do!

 

[clubchamp98]

Mings did clip him as he was trying to get past him but I don't think it was intentional or trying to hurt Ibra. Lets see what the FA decide to do!

Think the Mings one is debatable only he will know for sure.
But think Zlatan is in trouble with the FA.
The way he went down for the push was embarrassing black belt isn't he.?
Very similar to Firminnos before Arsenal scored in counter attack why can't they just stay on their feet.
Only seen motd but was a blood and guts game prob only way Bournmouth could get a result.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Nice to see the scousers posting again.
Funny how they seem overly busy when they aren't winning😳

 

[sawtooth]

How exactly have they shown this ambition ? By paying big wages for the big players ? By spending the required money on the players required ?

Is it not all words - I still can't understand how Wenger wouldn't play Sanchez and play Iwobi who surely is committing fraud by claiming a Premier League wage !

Whilst we have issues against the smaller sides , Arsenal once again when it comes to the big game fail horribly.

Arsenal have managed to grab a CL spot over the last couple of years mainly due to the ineptitude of the others - Liverpool , Utd and Spurs over the last 5 years just havent consistently been good enough to be in the Top 4 - now though there is 6 teams looking at a Top 4 spot so every point counts - that was a big game for both tonight - Arsenal in that game had their most dangerous playing sat on the bench. Arsenal to me because of Wenger are going backwards - spent poorly again in the summer and I hope that's Wenger stays because for me if he will take them further backwards.

Most expensive tickets in the Prem and nothing to show for it

You make some good points but let's see how things finish up.

Surely for all our faults and with Wenger taking the club backwards then Liverpool should easily go past Arsenal. Right?

The fact is you have beaten all of your rivals at the top yet will probably finish 10 points or more from the champions. You must be gutted.

You certainly have issues so i would sort those out first, win something, finish in the top 4 for a few seasons then be as critical as you like.

Right now though you look a bit silly, i admire your confidence though. Funny how that quickly vanished when Klopp won only once in 9 or whatever it was. But you are in bullish mood again after a good win. Back to being champions elect in a day?!

Let's see how it pans out.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You make some good points but let's see how things finish up.

Surely for all our faults and with Wenger taking the club backwards then Liverpool should easily go past Arsenal. Right?

The fact is you have beaten all of your rivals at the top yet will probably finish 10 points or more from the champions. You must be gutted.

You certainly have issues so i would sort those out first, win something, finish in the top 4 for a few seasons then be as critical as you like.

Right now though you look a bit silly, i admire your confidence though. Funny how that quickly vanished when Klopp won only once in 9 or whatever it was. But you are in bullish mood again after a good win. Back to being champions elect in a day?!

Let's see how it pans out.

I known our issues and even mentioned them and my point wasn't about Liverpool it was about Arsenal

Can't see where in that post I was being confident or bullish about Liverpool and certainly don't say anything about champions elect ?! Are you reading something that isn't there or just avoiding the issues of your own club - again.

I'm still confused how your manager can drop his best player because he wants the team to play more direct ( even better for Sanchez instead of Iwobi ) and then doesn't play direct ?!

Manager sat on his backside the whole match showing no effort to motivate the team and that transfers onto the team - no fight , no effort and no leadership . We are playing poorly right now and it was perfect for Arsenal to go at us straight from the whistle - yet nothing from them - as Keown said , it was pathetic , worst he has seen for 20 years and he is worried for Arsenal - miss out on CL and that could have a crippling effect on the club

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I known our issues and even mentioned them and my point wasn't about Liverpool it was about Arsenal

Can't see where in that post I was being confident or bullish about Liverpool and certainly don't say anything about champions elect ?! Are you reading something that isn't there or just avoiding the issues of your own club - again.

I'm still confused how your manager can drop his best player because he wants the team to play more direct ( even better for Sanchez instead of Iwobi ) and then doesn't play direct ?!

Manager sat on his backside the whole match showing no effort to motivate the team and that transfers onto the team - no fight , no effort and no leadership . We are playing poorly right now and it was perfect for Arsenal to go at us straight from the whistle - yet nothing from them - as Keown said , it was pathetic , worst he has seen for 20 years and he is worried for Arsenal - miss out on CL and that could have a crippling effect on the club

Turn it in Phil, after all the defending of Wenger he's done there's no chance he'll criticize him now.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Rooney must have eyes in the back of his head because the footage of the alleged stamp from Ming's clearly shows Rooney looking the other way screaming at the ref.

Then he has the audacity to call the FA to give retrospective punishment.

I never had him down as a midnight mass.