And, we're off.....2016/17

[Old Skier]

We have been here before and some forumers quite openly stated that cheating is part of the game and are more than happy that nothing is done about it.

Cheating is openly supported by managers, players, pundits and unfortunately by some "fans" of the game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So do nothing, I acknowledged 99% would disagree and the amount of Yellow and Red Cards needed to result in losing points would have to be looked at.

Everton had the most Yellow Cards last Season (67) if they knew they could lose a point after 50 bookings, the attitude or petulant fouls or diving might stop.
Fines and bans have changed nothing, maybe we need to think outside the box and consider the ridiculous to at least try and get an answer.

What exactly is it you are trying to achieve by bringing in a points deduction system for yellow and red cards ?

What problem are you looking to solve ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We have been here before and some forumers quite openly stated that cheating is part of the game and are more than happy that nothing is done about it.

Cheating is openly supported by managers, players, pundits and unfortunately by some "fans" of the game.

What exactly is this in response to because not one single person has suggested "nothing is done about cheating in the game" - and no one has "openly supported it"

 

[Old Skier]

Like I said, we have been here before and I'm sure those involved know who they are.

 

[Slime]

Shock news .................. United win a league game!!!
Great finish by Mkhitaryan.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What exactly is it you are trying to achieve by bringing in a points deduction system for yellow and red cards ?

What problem are you looking to solve ?

What I see it trying to achieve is the stopping or controlling of deliberate non-sportsman like behaviour, whether that be cheating or petulant behaviour or violence, it's a full on contact sport and that shouldn't be curtailed, big difference between a mis-timed tackle than a deliberate 2 footed dive.

What does retrospective bans and fines achieve? The game isn't better for them, it has no real impact on a Club, whether your best player is banned or injured for 4 games makes no difference.

Forgetting the impact of promotion or relegation on a team for a monent financially 1 point can cost a team millions in mid-table position alone and this is the only thing modern clubs care about

 

[Papas1982]

The more I see of him. The more I like Klopp.

almost makes me want to see Liverpool win. Almost......

 

[pokerjoke]

So do nothing, I acknowledged 99% would disagree and the amount of Yellow and Red Cards needed to result in losing points would have to be looked at.

Everton had the most Yellow Cards last Season (67) if they knew they could lose a point after 50 bookings, the attitude or petulant fouls or diving might stop.
Fines and bans have changed nothing, maybe we need to think outside the box and consider the ridiculous to at least try and get an answer.

One mans red is anothers yellow and anothers yellow is anothers nothing so impossible to police.

Good win for Utd today and certainly playing a lot better and with more confidence.
Top 4 predicted and another step towards the C/L

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We have been here before and some forumers quite openly stated that cheating is part of the game and are more than happy that nothing is done about it.

Cheating is openly supported by managers, players, pundits and unfortunately by some "fans" of the game.

Rubbish, some have said it's part of the modern game because it is, nobody has said they are more than happy nothing is done about it.

Everyone agrees it should be removed from the game.

Please feel free to show the post backing up your point.

 

[pokerjoke]

What I see it trying to achieve is the stopping or controlling of deliberate non-sportsman like behaviour, whether that be cheating or petulant behaviour or violence, it's a full on contact sport and that shouldn't be curtailed, big difference between a mis-timed tackle than a deliberate 2 footed dive.

What does retrospective bans and fines achieve? The game isn't better for them, it has no real impact on a Club, whether your best player is banned or injured for 4 games makes no difference.

Forgetting the impact of promotion or relegation on a team for a monent financially 1 point can cost a team millions in mid-table position alone and this is the only thing modern clubs care about

Do you think Aguero's ban wont effect City's results?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

One mans red is anothers yellow and anothers yellow is anothers nothing so impossible to police.

Good win for Utd today and certainly playing a lot better and with more confidence.
Top 4 predicted and another step towards the C/L

Very good win for you's.

Even without any changes I believe every card should be reviewed as a matter of course.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Do you think Aguero's ban wont effect City's results?

No, don't think any one player is or has ever been that good.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What I see it trying to achieve is the stopping or controlling of deliberate non-sportsman like behaviour, whether that be cheating or petulant behaviour or violence, it's a full on contact sport and that shouldn't be curtailed, big difference between a mis-timed tackle than a deliberate 2 footed dive.

What does retrospective bans and fines achieve? The game isn't better for them, it has no real impact on a Club, whether your best player is banned or injured for 4 games makes no difference.

Forgetting the impact of promotion or relegation on a team for a monent financially 1 point can cost a team millions in mid-table position alone and this is the only thing modern clubs care about

But they very rarely do retrospective bans or fines for a lot of issues so you don't know what the affect will be if more retrospective action is taken

As was said earlier - yellow and red cards are part of a physical contact game

What happens if a team only gets yellow and red cards from badly timed tackles no yellows for cheating or diving - by your system they then get a points deduction just for poor tackling ? Is the punishment fair or right then - imagine Sunderland battle all season long and pick up bookings from poor tackles or time wasting and then get enough yellows that they lose a point and because of that they are relegated ? Fair ?

To me it sounds laughable and utterly ridiculous tbh

As was also said earlier it's something that will never be introduced and rightly so.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The more I see of him. The more I like Klopp.

almost makes me want to see Liverpool win. Almost......

Strange that, it has the opposite affect on me :rofl:

 

[Old Skier]

Please feel free to show the post backing up your point.

Last seasons thread and lifes to short.

 

[Papas1982]

Strange that, it has the opposite affect on me :rofl:

funny old game!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But they very rarely do retrospective bans or fines for a lot of issues so you don't know what the affect will be if more retrospective action is taken

As was said earlier - yellow and red cards are part of a physical contact game

What happens if a team only gets yellow and red cards from badly timed tackles no yellows for cheating or diving - by your system they then get a points deduction just for poor tackling ? Is the punishment fair or right then - imagine Sunderland battle all season long and pick up bookings from poor tackles or time wasting and then get enough yellows that they lose a point and because of that they are relegated ? Fair ?

To me it sounds laughable and utterly ridiculous tbh

As was also said earlier it's something that will never be introduced and rightly so.

So 3 or 4 can see some merit in it and we all agree it will never happen, but as it's simply a discussion putting different points of view and ideas to each other, the comments laughable and utterly ridiculous because you disagree with it really doesn't help and adds nothing to your otherwise intelligent comments.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Last seasons thread and lifes to short.

Thought so :thup:

 

[Hobbit]

I'm not suggesting points being deducted for diving, I'm suggesting points for Red and Yellow cards, therefore every offence can have an impact, Players/managers would have to look at every aspect of their performance,
Snodgrass will face absolutely no repucussions and his team certainly won't punish him. Makes no difference to him whether it's red or yellow, as far as the system cares he was fouled.

Absolutely 100% behind you on this. The clubs are responsible for their player's behaviour, hence the fines for when a melee breaks out. And its the clubs that benefit from unpunished and weakly punished foul play.

Every club has a player or three that could win an Oscar. Start off with fines/player ban, and if that doesn't sort it deduct points.

Every club gets the chance to sort it before a points deduction takes place. And if they can't get their own house in order, they deserve what's coming to them.

 

[Slime]

It sounds like another Karius blunder.
Anyone see it?
He could cost Liverpool big time this season ........... here's hoping .