Pinseeker
Club Champion
faldo was probably concerned that Clarkes performance over there could of stolen his thunder...god forbid! faldo better win or he's in for some pain
And the two wildcard picks are...
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birdieman
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People are really soft for Darren cos he's such a likeable character, I don't think Darren is one for high pressure situations any more than Poulter however, Clarke was just as well known as Poulter for shanking under pressure.
Clarkes played 5 times, Poulter once so what's wrong with Poulter getting the nod? He's done well in Masters, Open and PGA this year, Clarke was nowhere in Majors this year. I'm not a Poulter fan in particular but I think he's a good shout for the team, a very positive person.
Clarkes played 5 times, Poulter once so what's wrong with Poulter getting the nod? He's done well in Masters, Open and PGA this year, Clarke was nowhere in Majors this year. I'm not a Poulter fan in particular but I think he's a good shout for the team, a very positive person.
here here birdieman I remember Clarke nearly taking me head off at Troon when he shanked his way out of open contention but people focus on what a decent fine fella he is a what a seemingly arrogant *** Poulter is,but who cares if he wins us those vital points,all teams in all sports have had tits in them over the years!!
Pinseeker
Club Champion
clarke only played in the pga as he was placed 256th in the world! now he's moved up 200 places thanks to some wins(thats WINS...poults and casey haven't heard the word for while) as someone has just said on the bbc forum :"Clarke & A N Other" would have put a damn sight more fear into the American camp than "Poulter & A N Other". couldn't agree more.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Dear oh dear....
What's he won (I hear literally nobody ask??).....O, zero, Nada, sweet f.a......
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Come on Dave - Give the guy a break. Its not like he's a wild card he got there coz he's qualified as of right. Ok he's not won but he's been consistent and if that's the way qualification works then well done him. Maybe the systems wrong but he's obviously accumulated more qualifying points than Monty,Casey,Poulter,Clarke and the rest of the pros who would give anything to have been the 10th qualifier who hasn't won.
Should we change our system to 4 picks? No. I think more pressure will be on Zinger's picks to perform and this may get to them.
What's he won (I hear literally nobody ask??).....O, zero, Nada, sweet f.a......
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Come on Dave - Give the guy a break. Its not like he's a wild card he got there coz he's qualified as of right. Ok he's not won but he's been consistent and if that's the way qualification works then well done him. Maybe the systems wrong but he's obviously accumulated more qualifying points than Monty,Casey,Poulter,Clarke and the rest of the pros who would give anything to have been the 10th qualifier who hasn't won.
Should we change our system to 4 picks? No. I think more pressure will be on Zinger's picks to perform and this may get to them.
kiwigolfer
Newbie
Ok... first post but been lurking for a while...
Was sure it was going to be Clarke and Casey or Doherty ... but Clarke I thought was a banker.
Clarke will be missed
Was sure it was going to be Clarke and Casey or Doherty ... but Clarke I thought was a banker.
Clarke will be missed
rgs
Tour Rookie
personally i think leaving clarke out is a mistake. wildcards should have been clarke and anyone else. clarke wins twice, comes 6th in the wga at bridgestone-poulters claim to fame this year 2nd in the open.
also think faldo has made a mistake in not naming a couple of vice captains. how can 2 men look at 4 matches in the morning keep the 4 players left out happy and involved and make informed decisions on the afternoon pairings.
lets hope we can win again.
also think faldo has made a mistake in not naming a couple of vice captains. how can 2 men look at 4 matches in the morning keep the 4 players left out happy and involved and make informed decisions on the afternoon pairings.
lets hope we can win again.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
May be Faldo can't have another vice captain because he has no mates to choose from.
I actually think he has made a good choice. You can't just pick on past glories, and in Padraig, Sergio, Jimenez, he has plenty of experience in the team. If others wanted to be in it, they should have played better, and got into the team through the automatic places. I haven't heard Kaymer and Chopra moaning.
I think this is a really solid team, much more so than whatever the Americans put out.
I actually think he has made a good choice. You can't just pick on past glories, and in Padraig, Sergio, Jimenez, he has plenty of experience in the team. If others wanted to be in it, they should have played better, and got into the team through the automatic places. I haven't heard Kaymer and Chopra moaning.
I think this is a really solid team, much more so than whatever the Americans put out.
bernix
Challenge Tour Pro
i was surprised faldo didnt choose dogherty. i always knew that its gonna be two englishmen so clarke & monty werent really in the hunt
StuartD
Tour Rookie
Agreed.
There has been a lot said about what Poulter can bring to the team. The one thing a captains pick must bring to the team is FORM. Poulter has been rank rotten since the open.
Pinseeker
Club Champion
Exactly thats what wild card picks are for. In Form Players! so why choose those 2. Still annoyed! I've been saying all year i expect Faldo to be a complete nonse and he hasn't let me down. The guys a knobhead
grumpyjock
Tour Rookie
OK it may be soor plums that DC was not picked,
Not everyone will like all the players in the team.
Give them time and hope they can gel as a team and play as a team, its hard to understand the mind set.
Lets get behind them and cheer them on one and all.
What about picking partners?
Thats going to be the hard part.
Not everyone will like all the players in the team.
Give them time and hope they can gel as a team and play as a team, its hard to understand the mind set.
Lets get behind them and cheer them on one and all.
What about picking partners?
Thats going to be the hard part.
toonarmy
Q-School Graduate
Christ alive! Some grumpy Celts on here, aren't there?
Monty was never in with a shout. He's been awful all year - end of.
Clarke has never really truly contended a Major (AFAIR), certainly not recently, and his wins this year have been in very weak fields. If he was as dislikeable as Poulter (apparently), would people still be crying about his non-pick?
Casey has been solid without being spectacular, but is undeniably good in matchplay conditions.
Poulter has definitely improved this year and his Open performance finally showed his arrogance to have some grounds (at last).
Also, it can't be ignored that both Casey and Poulter do play against the big boys in the US so have familiarity of both players and conditions that the stay-at-homes Clarke and Monty just don't have.
Personally, I think we are in a great position having such quality to leave out of the side - I'll bet you anything 'Zinger' would like to have the same problem.
And for the Faldo-bashing (Pinseeker in particular seems to have a real hatred!), people have quickly forgotten that he did have two VCs but that one of them threw his rattle out and then declared he would play his way on to the team - that didn't work out so well for him, did it?
Too many cooks etc. Faldo and Olly have all the RC experience you would ever need. They'll do a fine job, the team will gel as well as always and I'll be cheering every last one of them on every shot.
I suggest we should all do likewise!
Come on Europe!
Monty was never in with a shout. He's been awful all year - end of.
Clarke has never really truly contended a Major (AFAIR), certainly not recently, and his wins this year have been in very weak fields. If he was as dislikeable as Poulter (apparently), would people still be crying about his non-pick?
Casey has been solid without being spectacular, but is undeniably good in matchplay conditions.
Poulter has definitely improved this year and his Open performance finally showed his arrogance to have some grounds (at last).
Also, it can't be ignored that both Casey and Poulter do play against the big boys in the US so have familiarity of both players and conditions that the stay-at-homes Clarke and Monty just don't have.
Personally, I think we are in a great position having such quality to leave out of the side - I'll bet you anything 'Zinger' would like to have the same problem.
And for the Faldo-bashing (Pinseeker in particular seems to have a real hatred!), people have quickly forgotten that he did have two VCs but that one of them threw his rattle out and then declared he would play his way on to the team - that didn't work out so well for him, did it?
Too many cooks etc. Faldo and Olly have all the RC experience you would ever need. They'll do a fine job, the team will gel as well as always and I'll be cheering every last one of them on every shot.
I suggest we should all do likewise!
Come on Europe!
HTL
Tour Winner
Of course I will be 100% behind the team, but, the team just don’t seem up to it, I want a real Ryder Cup hero in the team like DC to hold it all together.
The American team just seem so much more experienced, I am nervous already!!!
The American team just seem so much more experienced, I am nervous already!!!
John_Findlay
Tour Winner
More good sense from toonarmy.
Does anyone think Ewen Murray is on a shaky peg with Sky by his criticism of Poulter's pick? Personally I have a lot of respect for Murray but I think he should have toned down his comments or waited 24 hours to calm down before reacting.
Can't wait for Zinger's picks. Maybe he'll pick himself and really cause a furore!
Does anyone think Ewen Murray is on a shaky peg with Sky by his criticism of Poulter's pick? Personally I have a lot of respect for Murray but I think he should have toned down his comments or waited 24 hours to calm down before reacting.
Can't wait for Zinger's picks. Maybe he'll pick himself and really cause a furore!
John_Findlay
Tour Winner
Why be nervous, htl ? The only extra experience the Americans have over our team is of losing by a margin! Boo Weekley and Kenny Perry for goodness sake. OOOHHHHH..I'm really shaking in my boots. Let Poulter play them both.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
If you look at the RC stats for most of the Americans their Ryder cup experience is of losing most of their matches. Furyks record is very poor for someone of his talents especially.
HTL
Tour Winner
Thanks for that, its what I needed, bring it on!!! I dont think Casey is the right man but I am 100% behind them!
stevelockie
Head Pro
I think Bernard Gallcher's comments about Poulter being picked affecting team morale are spot on.
I can imagine Lee, Padraig, Sergio etc would have been expecting their mate Darren to be picked, especially as he has won twice this year and showed some excellent form when it mattered (ie recently, not in the Open, are you listening Mr Faldo?)!
I think the team camaraderie will not be the same.
I can imagine Lee, Padraig, Sergio etc would have been expecting their mate Darren to be picked, especially as he has won twice this year and showed some excellent form when it mattered (ie recently, not in the Open, are you listening Mr Faldo?)!
I think the team camaraderie will not be the same.
StuartD
Tour Rookie
Good posts going here
I have to disagree with Toon and John.
In my opinion Poulter has been poor this year even with his open 2nd place. He has performed better in all other majors in previous few years. His throwing in the towel at this years US Open seems to have been forgotten. His record in the other big WGC events is poorer this year than in the previous three years.
It seems to me his pick is based on 4 days good golf.
Also to call Darren Clarke a stay at home golfer is quite wrong. His ranking and loss of US tour card (for obvious reasons) has forced him to stay at home. I think that Clarke has enough experience of US conditions and familiarity of playing with the big boys. To say anything else is wrong.
I would agree that Clarke's win earlier in the year was a weakend field but last weeks win, no matter who against, at this time with the pressure of getting ryder cup points/picks is an excellent result. Don't think the field was that weak anyway compared to most other events.
And while we are on the subject of results.......how did your team get on at the weekend John?
That was a very childish end to what i thought was a good discussion. Could just not help myself, sorry
I have to disagree with Toon and John.
In my opinion Poulter has been poor this year even with his open 2nd place. He has performed better in all other majors in previous few years. His throwing in the towel at this years US Open seems to have been forgotten. His record in the other big WGC events is poorer this year than in the previous three years.
It seems to me his pick is based on 4 days good golf.
Also to call Darren Clarke a stay at home golfer is quite wrong. His ranking and loss of US tour card (for obvious reasons) has forced him to stay at home. I think that Clarke has enough experience of US conditions and familiarity of playing with the big boys. To say anything else is wrong.
I would agree that Clarke's win earlier in the year was a weakend field but last weeks win, no matter who against, at this time with the pressure of getting ryder cup points/picks is an excellent result. Don't think the field was that weak anyway compared to most other events.
And while we are on the subject of results.......how did your team get on at the weekend John?
That was a very childish end to what i thought was a good discussion. Could just not help myself, sorry
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