Alterations to WHS?

It was Pre Whatever Handicap System.......Sorry I had to have a dig.
So, how compatible was their English handicap with the Oz handicaps? Did you guys have Slope at the time? If so, your handicaps would change from course to course. But the English players handicaps would remain the same. I'm just trying to figure out how it works out. Seems to me that had your English buddies come over post WHS, their handicaps would be much more compatible with yours, and hence WHS is very much doing what is said it would do.
 
No we did not have slope...and their handicaps traveled very well.

We had the old system of going out point 1 if outside a buffer zone
and reducing point 1 2 3 or 4 compared to your handicap.

so to go out 1 shot you had to chop it for 10 rounds.

now I see people winning the day and going out a full shot (1.0) this upsets a lot of people.
 
No we did not have slope...and their handicaps traveled very well.

We had the old system of going out point 1 if outside a buffer zone
and reducing point 1 2 3 or 4 compared to your handicap.

so to go out 1 shot you had to chop it for 10 rounds.

now I see people winning the day and going out a full shot (1.0) this upsets a lot of people.
Well, to me that sounds pretty much the same system that we had. So if true, then I'd expect them to be compatible just like it would be compatible between clubs in the same country.

And your mates can still have handicaps that travel well, as you use the same system. So, the issue in this case would be less about it being less compatible between countries, but more to do with the fact you simply preferred the old system over the new one.
 
No we did not have slope...and their handicaps traveled very well.

We had the old system of going out point 1 if outside a buffer zone
and reducing point 1 2 3 or 4 compared to your handicap.

so to go out 1 shot you had to chop it for 10 rounds.

now I see people winning the day and going out a full shot (1.0) this upsets a lot of people.
If your going out a full shot under WHS, relative to the score that is being replaced, you've been "chopping it" for 20 rounds, never mind 10.
 
Well, to me that sounds pretty much the same system that we had. So if true, then I'd expect them to be compatible just like it would be compatible between clubs in the same country.

And your mates can still have handicaps that travel well, as you use the same system. So, the issue in this case would be less about it being less compatible between countries, but more to do with the fact you simply preferred the old system over the new one.
yes it was the same.....I went to England in the 1980's, my handicap traveled well, went on single figures and it all seemed straight forward to me, no how many shots you get at this course or that course.

I played in Open's all the time and never had a problem with I'm not in with a chance here if I play well, loved it, played over 200 courses and love the UK.

Yes I do not like this system, we have had it longer then you and it still is not right, UK have had the benefit of seeing our faults but it seems like you still have not come up with your version to please everyone.
 
yes it was the same.....I went to England in the 1980's, my handicap traveled well, went on single figures and it all seemed straight forward to me, no how many shots you get at this course or that course.

I played in Open's all the time and never had a problem with I'm not in with a chance here if I play well, loved it, played over 200 courses and love the UK.

Yes I do not like this system, we have had it longer then you and it still is not right, UK have had the benefit of seeing our faults but it seems like you still have not come up with your version to please everyone.
Since the old CONGU system (introduced in 1983) was based on the Australian system, it's unsurprising that handicaps would be somewhat comparable.
However, handicaps were less comparable with continental Europe (despite their system being based on the CONGU one) largely because of their use of Slope, and almost completely incomparable with those produced by the USGA system that was used in many other countries.

A handicap system that pleases everyone is a fantasy.
 
yes it was the same.....I went to England in the 1980's, my handicap traveled well, went on single figures and it all seemed straight forward to me, no how many shots you get at this course or that course.

I played in Open's all the time and never had a problem with I'm not in with a chance here if I play well, loved it, played over 200 courses and love the UK.

Yes I do not like this system, we have had it longer then you and it still is not right, UK have had the benefit of seeing our faults but it seems like you still have not come up with your version to please everyone.
On a personal level, the idea of Slope is a great idea. For example, I could be giving a guy 18 shots in a match at my home clubs, and fair enough if we've both submitted a good number of scores into the system from our own club. But if I then went and played against him at a much easier course (usually a lot shorter), suddenly it is a huge uphill task for me. He is likely to win easily. And vie versa if we both played at an easy short course. If we then went and played a longer tougher course, he is the one that is going to really struggle much more than me, relative to handicap.

But I do think that the system overly benefits new golfers with limited scores. And if those types of golfers keep appearing year on year, and especially several of them, then they can be the ones that appear at the top of the leaderboard proportionally more than the vast majority of longer term members with many scores (more than 20) on their record. But, that is just my opinion. But I'm told that is just the way things have to be, or at least Divisions should be set up to deal with this issue in the system.
 
Since the old CONGU system (introduced in 1983) was based on the Australian system, it's unsurprising that handicaps would be somewhat comparable.
However, handicaps were less comparable with continental Europe (despite their system being based on the CONGU one) largely because of their use of Slope, and almost completely incomparable with those produced by the USGA system that was used in many other countries.

A handicap system that pleases everyone is a fantasy.

Strongly agree.

I think people liked the 0.1 increases as opposed to the WHS increases as it kept the field a bit closer? My dad plays 2 comps a week and his handicap is always on the move, he's gone up from 14 to 17 since about November. In the old system that would have been a longer period of poor scores.
 
Strongly agree.

I think people liked the 0.1 increases as opposed to the WHS increases as it kept the field a bit closer? My dad plays 2 comps a week and his handicap is always on the move, he's gone up from 14 to 17 since about November. In the old system that would have been a longer period of poor scores.
At my club, I quite like the jumps in handicap. Many comps are handicap order. Previously, that meant you nearly always played with the same 4 or 5 players. Now, you play with many more people, as we are all jumping about all over the place. I know that wasn't the intention of the system obviously, but a nice side benefit for me
 
At my club, I quite like the jumps in handicap. Many comps are handicap order. Previously, that meant you nearly always played with the same 4 or 5 players. Now, you play with many more people, as we are all jumping about all over the place. I know that wasn't the intention of the system obviously, but a nice side benefit for me

That is a nice benefit of it! All ours are random draw so we don't get that!

Does the back end of your comp not run rather slowly?
 
That is a nice benefit of it! All ours are random draw so we don't get that!

Does the back end of your comp not run rather slowly?
Don't know, never experienced it that far back. I don't think so, never heard complaints.

Our comps seem to run at a very good pace (I'm usually 5-10 groups from start). 3 balls, usually done in well under 4 hours, maybe closer to 3.
 
Since the old CONGU system (introduced in 1983) was based on the Australian system, it's unsurprising that handicaps would be somewhat comparable.
However, handicaps were less comparable with continental Europe (despite their system being based on the CONGU one) largely because of their use of Slope, and almost completely incomparable with those produced by the USGA system that was used in many other countries.

A handicap system that pleases everyone is a fantasy.
Absolutely ^^^ ..... nor can it be expected to produce, in Competition, equality all of the time, across the full spectrum. Comp T's & C's are required to do that.
 
That is not entirely true, have had a lot of English friends come to OZ and play in our Comps off their English handicap, and not a problem.

Most of them took back cards that were good scores, horses for courses.
The then OZ system and the then UHS (CONGU) system were very different. (eg average of best x from y as opposed to 'last score adjustments'). As it happens much of the WHS was lifted from OZ.

Edit: See Below


The CONGU system did not normally accept overseas scores except for special cases.
 
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No we did not have slope...and their handicaps traveled very well.

We had the old system of going out point 1 if outside a buffer zone
and reducing point 1 2 3 or 4 compared to your handicap.

so to go out 1 shot you had to chop it for 10 rounds.

now I see people winning the day and going out a full shot (1.0) this upsets a lot of people.
From the 2017 GA Manual

GA Handicaps and Daily Handicaps
There are two types of official handicap allocated under this System; a GA Handicap and a Daily Handicap. The GA Handicap is not designed for use in handicap competition play; rather it is GA’s assessment of the relative golfing ability of a player on a course with a neutral Slope Rating. The Daily Handicap is the handicap to be used in handicap competition play. The GA Handicap is one of the factors used in the calculation of the Daily Handicap.

Differential
The Differential is the value that is featured in the ‘Sloped Played To’ column of a player’s handicap record on www.golf.org.au. It is the best 8 of the player’s most recent 20 Differentials that are directly used in the calculation of the player’s GA Handicap.
 
Strongly agree.

I think people liked the 0.1 increases as opposed to the WHS increases as it kept the field a bit closer? My dad plays 2 comps a week and his handicap is always on the move, he's gone up from 14 to 17 since about November. In the old system that would have been a longer period of poor scores.
So the old system failed to represent the player's demonstrated ability, ie, the player's handicap was much lower than it should have been (and probably would never increase to where it should have been). That player would be severely disadvantaged in any comps.
 
So the old system failed to represent the player's demonstrated ability, ie, the player's handicap was much lower than it should have been (and probably would never increase to where it should have been). That player would be severely disadvantaged in any comps.
For most mid-high handicappers and all declining golfers, that's exactly how it worked.
 
So the old system failed to represent the player's demonstrated ability, ie, the player's handicap was much lower than it should have been (and probably would never increase to where it should have been). That player would be severely disadvantaged in any comps.

Dads fine in summer, he plays anywhere between a 10 to 15 handicap when the ball is rolling and the ground is firmer.

Over winter now his handicap changes quite dramatically as he struggles when the ground gets really boggy to hit good shots with his woods.
 
World Handicap System where you can’t put your cards in from another country dosnt sound to me like it should have the word World in it!

Dont think self adjustment is included so you will just have to be a Bandit on your holiday.
World :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

But there are national golf bureacracies that move at a glacial pace so I'm actually surprised at how close we actually are to "world".
 
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