Alterations to WHS?

[Deleted member 29109]

I do not carry a fax machine, plus I will be moving from county to county, so no fixed address.

Guess i will just arrive with one handicap and use it for my entire stay, so much for WORLD HS.

Someone in Australia could print it, take a photo of it and email/WhatsApp it to you?

Do you not have a website or app that displays your HC in Aus?

 

[D-S]

I do not carry a fax machine, plus I will be moving from county to county, so no fixed address.

Guess i will just arrive with one handicap and use it for my entire stay, so much for WORLD HS.

Don’t you have an electronpic certificate? Ours are available in App or via the website and are constantly updated.
I haven’t carried a paper certificate for years as you would have to renew it so frequently.

 

[IanM]

I played golf while in Australia. The last thing on my mind was putting in cards.

You could email back photos of the cards. But make sure you do scribbly signatures. D Duck and M Mouse are too obvious

 

[Swango1980]

I played golf while in Australia. The last thing on my mind was putting in cards.

You could email back photos of the cards. But make sure you do scribbly signatures. D Duck and M Mouse are too obvious

And even if you did put in cards, I doubt your mates would be demanding printed handicap certificates?

 

[Oldbutwise]

I do not carry a fax machine, plus I will be moving from county to county, so no fixed address.

Guess i will just arrive with one handicap and use it for my entire stay, so much for WORLD HS.

Sounds like you need a more compliant handicap secretary! I currently have a member in Spain for 3 months and he's sending me cards from various courses 2 or 3 times a week. it takes 2 minutes to input them or 5 if the course isn't already in the database. He just calls his record up on the England Golf app and can show his handicap if necessary - no need for a paper certificate. Don't you have a similar facility?

 

[wjemather]

So I turn up in England with an up to date handicap certificate, send my cards back by email, they then post me a new handicap certificate, from my memory it will arrive by UK post after I have gone home, not to mention what other games I have played.

If I want to lower or raise my handicap it looks like a very easy way to send in bogus cards, how in OZ can they verify them ?

It's all electronic. Golflink gets updated daily and you have the GA app. Also, handicap records can be checked on the GA system (by anyone) using the players golflink number.

Verification of photos of scorecards sent by email is no different than verifying physical scorecards.

 

[nickjdavis]

When was the last time anyone was asked for a physical hard copy handicap certificate?

 

[AussieKB]

Yes I can call up golflink....but someone has to input the cards, I think it is just easier if I play off my latest handicap when I arrive till when I leave, WHS was supposed to be a system where you could move around the World without any hassle, or that is what they told us.

Now every Country has their own version, so please will people stop calling it a WORLD HS.

 

[clubchamp98]

I disagree with perfectly OK, when the collection and redistribution of money is involved using a system that is unfairly advantaging some and unfairly disadvantaging others.
When this is being done knowingly and deliberately, it is clearly wrong.
Agreement or being complicit with something that is wrong does not make it perfectly OK, in my view.

Yes but we’re stuck with WHS

 

[clubchamp98]

So I turn up in England with an up to date handicap certificate, send my cards back by email, they then post me a new handicap certificate, from my memory it will arrive by UK post after I have gone home, not to mention what other games I have played.

If I want to lower or raise my handicap it looks like a very easy way to send in bogus cards, how in OZ can they verify them ?

Sorry if by playing Devil's advocate it upsets you.

To be fair .
If you’re going to cheat you can do that from anywhere.
Unfortunetly the system allows that very easily.

 

[Swango1980]

Yes I can call up golflink....but someone has to input the cards, I think it is just easier if I play off my latest handicap when I arrive till when I leave, WHS was supposed to be a system where you could move around the World without any hassle, or that is what they told us.

Now every Country has their own version, so please will people stop calling it a WORLD HS.

It is called the World Handicap System because you can use your handicap at any country that uses WHS, just like you will be doing on your holiday. That couldn't happen before. Just because your scores won't update as quickly as you'd like, it doesn't mean it is not a World Handicap System.

If you had a handicap secretary that could update your scores daily, would you then call it a World Handicap System?

If the technology became more advanced in the future, and they could all talk to each other, would you then call it a world handicap system? Even though nothing in WHS is different, simply the tech that is different?

Before WHS, in the UK we had a National System. But, if I went and played at an away course, I had no means to enter my score directly into the system. I had to send that score to my club. And even if I played at my club, I still had to rely on my handicap sec to verify my score, which could take days or weeks in some cases. However, I still considered it a national handicap system. I didn't claim it wasn't because my scores weren't instantly put on my record.

 

[D-S]

Yes I can call up golflink....but someone has to input the cards, I think it is just easier if I play off my latest handicap when I arrive till when I leave, WHS was supposed to be a system where you could move around the World without any hassle, or that is what they told us.

Now every Country has their own version, so please will people stop calling it a WORLD HS.

Now I have some issues with some of the technical parts and implementation of WHS but it certainly a major step forward towards a more comparable system than before. Throwing hurdles in its way by saying the only way to get your handicap certificate updated is to have someone post it to you is a bit far fetched, did people have to do this on a daily basis when on a trip away to Scotland before?
There a lot of pluses and just harping on about the minuses is obscuring a lot.
Very soon people will be able to enter scores via the EG app directly from Spain and this is being rolled out to other countries.
Club comps in the UK are certainly not a nonsense under WHS and winners and losers are not questioned more than previously, WHS is not moaned about all the time in clubhouses as change has eventually been accepted.
The digital age is being slowly but surely embraced.
If the word world is bugging you, look away in a couple of weeks when the Super Bowl winners are designated as World Champions.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Now I have some issues with some of the technical parts and implementation of WHS but it certainly a major step forward towards a more comparable system than before. Throwing hurdles in its way by saying the only way to get your handicap certificate updated is to have someone post it to you is a bit far fetched, did people have to do this on a daily basis when on a trip away to Scotland before?
There a lot of pluses and just harping on about the minuses is obscuring a lot.
Very soon people will be able to enter scores via the EG app directly from Spain and this is being rolled out to other countries.
Club comps in the UK are certainly not a nonsense under WHS and winners and losers are not questioned more than previously, WHS is not moaned about all the time in clubhouses as change has eventually been accepted.
The digital age is being slowly but surely embraced.
If the word world is bugging you, look away in a couple of weeks when the Super Bowl winners are designated as World Champions.

And the World Series Baseball winners being called the World Champions.

 

[Slab]

And the World Series Baseball winners being called the World Champions.

And don't forget 'The Champion Golfer of the Year'

 

[Genu9]

And the World Series Baseball winners being called the World Champions.

The 'World' found America, America didn't 'found' the World.......

 

[wjemather]

Yes I can call up golflink....but someone has to input the cards, I think it is just easier if I play off my latest handicap when I arrive till when I leave, WHS was supposed to be a system where you could move around the World without any hassle, or that is what they told us.

Now every Country has their own version, so please will people stop calling it a WORLD HS.

Someone will have to input the cards at some point - why take them home in bulk?

You were told your handicap would be portable - which it is - and that you would be able to play equitably with anyone else in the world - which you can.
That you want the words "world handicap system" to mean something it doesn't (and was never intended to mean) is your misunderstanding/mistake.

There are many political and legal reasons for not having a global database or software solution - integration will come, but it will take years/decades and not having it wouldn't be valid justification for delaying implementation. Also, no-one (in authority) ever claimed the golfers would be able to submit scores electronically from anywhere, especially not in the short term.

 

[AussieKB]

It is called the World Handicap System because you can use your handicap at any country that uses WHS, just like you will be doing on your holiday. That couldn't happen before. Just because your scores won't update as quickly as you'd like, it doesn't mean it is not a World Handicap System.

If you had a handicap secretary that could update your scores daily, would you then call it a World Handicap System?

If the technology became more advanced in the future, and they could all talk to each other, would you then call it a world handicap system? Even though nothing in WHS is different, simply the tech that is different?

Before WHS, in the UK we had a National System. But, if I went and played at an away course, I had no means to enter my score directly into the system. I had to send that score to my club. And even if I played at my club, I still had to rely on my handicap sec to verify my score, which could take days or weeks in some cases. However, I still considered it a national handicap system. I didn't claim it wasn't because my scores weren't instantly put on my record.

That is not entirely true, have had a lot of English friends come to OZ and play in our Comps off their English handicap, and not a problem.

Most of them took back cards that were good scores, horses for courses.

Yes it will be great when we have a global database with all handicaps on it, then we can call it a WORLD HS, until then it is every Country for themselves.

 

[AussieKB]

Someone will have to input the cards at some point - why take them home in bulk?

You were told your handicap would be portable - which it is - and that you would be able to play equitably with anyone else in the world - which you can.
That you want the words "world handicap system" to mean something it doesn't is your misunderstanding/mistake.

There are many political and legal reasons for not having a global database or software solution; and no-one (in authority) ever claimed the golfers would be able to submit scores electronically from anywhere, especially not in the short term.

I forgot according to the Yanks the WORLD is USA

 

[Swango1980]

That is not entirely true, have had a lot of English friends come to OZ and play in our Comps off their English handicap, and not a problem.

Most of them took back cards that were good scores, horses for courses.

Yes it will be great when we have a global database with all handicaps on it, then we can call it a WORLD HS, until then it is every Country for themselves.

As wjemather has just said, this isn't a fault of WHS. This is just a problem that lies with you and your misunderstanding of what it is.

As for your first sentence, I've no idea if you are talking about pre or post WHS. Post WHS, of course that would be true, and the World Handicap System allows it. Pre WHS, I've no idea how that works, how compatible the UK and Oz systems were (I doubt they were compatible at all)

 

[AussieKB]

As wjemather has just said, this isn't a fault of WHS. This is just a problem that lies with you and your misunderstanding of what it is.

As for your first sentence, I've no idea if you are talking about pre or post WHS. Post WHS, of course that would be true, and the World Handicap System allows it. Pre WHS, I've no idea how that works, how compatible the UK and Oz systems were (I doubt they were compatible at all)

It was Pre Whatever Handicap System.......Sorry I had to have a dig.