clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I disagree you said “ Fewer calculations “ that’s just not true!
Well dosnt that prove WHS is confusing the very people it is supposedly making things easier for.
Alterations to WHS?
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Well dosnt that prove WHS is confusing the very people it is supposedly making things easier for.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
So in the above you have four players A,B,C and D. Each will know their HCI. But I do not understand what you have given for each of the four players under the heading Tee - as they are all not all the same. Under Course you have listed each players ‘exact’ course handicap - which a player won’t necessarily know or have readily to hand. And you have not shown their rounded CH which will be what is given by a club on a board. The Playing (PH) you show is rounded Exact CH and before factoring for format.
wjemather
Well-known member
Is there even a single calculation that the player now has to do that they did not have to do previously?
If not, that's at least 2 fewer.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
All I want to know is what to do when for a 4BBB I have to work out shots off lowest whatever.
And what do I as an individual playing have to know before I am asked. Indeed if it were up to me to work out shots I’m now not sure what handicap (number) I‘m going to be asking each for.
Currently I ask each player for his Course Handicap and from that I can very quickly mentally calculate the shots each player gets off the lowest. It’s dead easy and all I am getting at the moment from the change is a MASSIVE shift in complexity that probably needs me to use some for of calculator or spreadsheet.
I know I am probably missing something or misunderstanding…but that is happening with me trying to understand.
D
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Will the EG (or equivalent) app not give you your CH? I presume it will after April as it does now.
So a player has no excuse for standing on the 1st tee not knowing at least that information!
wjemather
Well-known member
The only information you need is everyone's rounded Course Handicap (which can be looked-up on a chart from HIs if necessary).
From April 1st, you'll then just work out 90% of the difference from the lowest (currently it's 90%, rounded, and then full difference from the lowest).
Swango1980
Well-known member
Can I get my exam remarked then, get my 50% upgraded to 100%?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
OK. I’m getting there. Missing link. You haven’t mentioned PH in the above?.whats happened to it.
wjemather
Well-known member
From April 1st, the 4BBB matchplay allowance becomes 100%, so PH=CH.
D-S
Well-known member
Oh sorry I thought there might have been a simpler one available.
That one is pretty clunky and not easy at all to use on a phone.
I sincerely hope ISVs come up with something similar to what Eagle Golf are touting which already gives slopes, pars, CRs of the tees you are standing near. Then you just input the tee, the HIs of the players, the format and gives you a result.
I wouldn’t want to be putting all this data into my phone every time.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I think it messes with the definition of Playing Handicap, at least in my mind.
Up to now, Playing Handicap was either the handicap you play with directly, or at least the handicap you directly work out shot allocation in match play.
Whereas after April, Playing Handicap is no longer the handicap you "Play" with. Because you then need to apply the 90% multiplier after working out the Playing Handicap.
rosecott
Money List Winner
No, you still got it wrong at first attempt.
Swango1980
Well-known member
True. I blame that error on a fat finger and hitting the wrong key on my keyboard. I'd like to think I wouldn't make that mistake with a pen. Damn technology.
wjemather
Well-known member
I've given up on hoping for useful developments from Club Systems when it comes to comps and handicaps - so much basic functionality is missing, that a decent CH/PH calculator within howdidido seems like a pipe dream.
Since most people play the same course and tees, normally, the only entry into the sheet will be up to date handicap indexes.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
OK. That’s easy then. No calculator or spreadsheet required. All I do is take the lowest CH/PH off each other CH/PH, and for each player the shots received is 90% of the difference (rounded with 0.5 rounding up). Easy. All the talk of spreadsheets and calculators is, for members of a club, irrelevant and simply sets hares running.
And for individual strokeplay. PH = CH and I apply 95% for my shots allowance? To be consistent with 4BBB.
Genu9
Active member
It's a screenshot.
You only enter your HI and select the Tee you are playing from, everything else is calculated.
It will also calculate mixed Tee PH's. I can make them all the same by changing them.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Why would I ever need to do this. I go to a club. It has a board mapping HCI to rounded CH. For a 4BBB I difference the lowest CH off the others and work out shots based upon 90% of each difference. I do that in my head.
wjemather
Well-known member
Correct.
For individual stroke play, the competition software will work everything out; or if casual play, just use rounded Course Handicaps.
So again, no need for calculators or spreadsheets.
But from April 1st, the PH allowance for individual stroke play competition will be 95% of the unrounded Course Handicap (currently 95% of the rounded Course Handicap).
So no, not consistent.
D-S
Well-known member
For individual strokeplay PH is 95% of your CH, note the CH is an unrounded number so you will not necessarily be able to do this sum in your head.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Our first comp of the year in April will be...
And there will be one of these every week through to end of September.
Only a few board comps at weekends will be stablefords.
The "max score" thing is interesting. I think it something like 5-over per hole.
So you putt out for an 8 on a par-4 or you will be given a 9. Not certain this is absolutely correct, but get the gist.
Men can choose white or yellow tee, but ladies have only red rated for them.
We have recently had reds rated for men, so I am hoping that will also be an option. I'm keen to give it a go at least once.
At the moment I will have PH of white=6. yellow=4 and red=3.
Something like this could have been done years ago, but WHS seems to have awakened people to more possibilities of ways to play golf. So that's a good thing in my view.
And there will be one of these every week through to end of September.
Only a few board comps at weekends will be stablefords.
The "max score" thing is interesting. I think it something like 5-over per hole.
So you putt out for an 8 on a par-4 or you will be given a 9. Not certain this is absolutely correct, but get the gist.
Men can choose white or yellow tee, but ladies have only red rated for them.
We have recently had reds rated for men, so I am hoping that will also be an option. I'm keen to give it a go at least once.
At the moment I will have PH of white=6. yellow=4 and red=3.
Something like this could have been done years ago, but WHS seems to have awakened people to more possibilities of ways to play golf. So that's a good thing in my view.
