Aimpoint is slow - FACT

[richart]

Do aimpointers still crouch down behind the ball to check the line, or is it just charts feet, etc ?

There is a skill in reading greens, and you can have the best stroke in the world, but will not hole much if you can't read them. Remember watching Ross Fisher in the Ryder Cup, and he was holing them from everywhere. It was his partner Harrington that was reading all the putts for him. Normally his putting for a Pro is poor.

 

[3565]

No worries

Anyway - Aimpoint - sorry but think its madness for anyone to pay to be shown a method on how to read a green.

Why not just allow people to download the methods and charts etc

we know what your thoughts are, but I don't respect your opinion on something you've not tried and validate your reasoning, just like your views on NGT. So why don't you leave the madness to those who do want it. Quote you, Simples.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Do aimpointers still crouch down behind the ball to check the line, or is it just charts feet, etc ?

There is a skill in reading greens, and you can have the best stroke in the world, but will not hole much if you can't read them. Remember watching Ross Fisher in the Ryder Cup, and he was holing them from everywhere. It was his partner Harrington that was reading all the putts for him. Normally his putting for a Pro is poor.

Good question. Personally I use my feet to work out the severity of the slope, look for the low side of the hole as I'm walking towards the green and then find my angle and read off from the chart. Don't really get anything extra from crouching behind the ball so don't worry. Pace of play and all that

 

[Deleted member 1740]

we know what your thoughts are, but I don't respect your opinion on something you've not tried and validate your reasoning, just like your views on NGT. So why don't you leave the madness to those who do want it. Quote you, Simples.

Haha @LP!

I Played with Virtuocity last week and he explained Aimpoint to me and to a certain degree its a good method to use.

What i don't get is how the use of a chart can help you read greens.

Maybe if i seen it in action then my opinion maybe different but it seems like its a closed shop unless your prepared/can afford to pay £90 for the Aimpoint session etc.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Haha @LP!

I Played with Virtuocity last week and he explained Aimpoint to me and to a certain degree its a good method to use.

What i don't get is how the use of a chart can help you read greens.

Maybe if i seen it in action then my opinion maybe different but it seems like its a closed shop unless your prepared/can afford to pay £90 for the Aimpoint session etc.

No closed shop from me. Happy to explain in although in the middle of a round with others coming up behind hardly the best place. If we meet up at a forum meet (H4H etc) more than happy to give a quick demonstration

 

[richart]

How many Pro's use Aimpoint ? It has been around for 5 years, but I have only heard of Adam Scott and Stacey Lewis using it.

It may well be a good way to read greens, but is it better than the conventional way, or just for those that can't read greens the old way. Golfers like Nicklaus, Watson, Miller, Crenshaw, Faxon, Woods, Stricker etc are fantastic putters that read greens and have never needed charts.

 

[3565]

Do aimpointers still crouch down behind the ball to check the line, or is it just charts feet, etc ?

There is a skill in reading greens, and you can have the best stroke in the world, but will not hole much if you can't read them. Remember watching Ross Fisher in the Ryder Cup, and he was holing them from everywhere. It was his partner Harrington that was reading all the putts for him. Normally his putting for a Pro is poor.

you can be the best reader in the world, but not a good stroke and still not hole much.

Once I get my read, Aimpoint, I use the line on the ball to my Aimpoint, stand back, settle then go. I don't stare down the line at all now or visualising the ball rolling, all I'm concentrating on is smooth stroke and pace. Not too dissimilar to how Scott is doing it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

we know what your thoughts are, but I don't respect your opinion on something you've not tried and validate your reasoning, just like your views on NGT. So why don't you leave the madness to those who do want it. Quote you, Simples.

If you read the post my point was actually about having to pay for it

And instead why not allow people to download the method so they can "try" without having to fork out money.

People will always give things a try - but paying for a method that might not work for them ?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

No closed shop from me. Happy to explain in although in the middle of a round with others coming up behind hardly the best place. If we meet up at a forum meet (H4H etc) more than happy to give a quick demonstration

H i may take you up on that offer though you'll have to speak like Homer does!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

H i may take you up on that offer though you'll have to speak like Homer does!

:rofl:

 

[3565]

Haha @LP!

I Played with Virtuocity last week and he explained Aimpoint to me and to a certain degree its a good method to use.

What i don't get is how the use of a chart can help you read greens.

Maybe if i seen it in action then my opinion maybe different but it seems like its a closed shop unless your prepared/can afford to pay £90 for the Aimpoint session etc.

tbh you won't do the Chart read class unless you specifically ask for it, the Express Read is just as accurate as the chart plus you can use this method for putts 5ft and under. But the chart does work as I've done as well as Homer for the past 2yrs.

 

[3565]

If you read the post my point was actually about having to pay for it

And instead why not allow people to download the method so they can "try" without having to fork out money.

People will always give things a try - but paying for a method that might not work for them ?

You are intelligent I take it? If YOU design a concept that can make the game easier or fun to play, or an aid that will help many, are you telling me you are willing to make it readily available to the mass for FREE!!!! God help a company who makes you CEO and running their business........ You talk about Madness. Think your the one with a screw loose IMO.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You are intelligent I take it? If YOU design a concept that can make the game easier or fun to play, or an aid that will help many, are you telling me you are willing to make it readily available to the mass for FREE!!!! God help a company who makes you CEO and running their business........ You talk about Madness. Think your the one with a screw loose IMO.

Yet there we see multiple pros on you tube videos giving multiple tips and ideas and swing changes etc etc for free and people just snap them up. Pros showing people how to get out of bunkers for free, pros showing people how to putt - for free , pros showing people how to encourage a draw - for free. All over the internet there are thousands upon thousands of methods for golf being given out for free.

This is a method which is not fully proven to work for everyone - yet they want payment to show people how to use their unproven method.

Please do not start throwing insults at me - believe the mods asked for that to stop. if you dont like my posts then please ignore them.

 

[3565]

How many Pro's use Aimpoint ? It has been around for 5 years, but I have only heard of Adam Scott and Stacey Lewis using it.

It may well be a good way to read greens, but is it better than the conventional way, or just for those that can't read greens the old way. Golfers like Nicklaus, Watson, Miller, Crenshaw, Faxon, Woods, Stricker etc are fantastic putters that read greens and have never needed charts.

i will answer this by saying whilst feeling the slope with your feet has been around for a long time, the fact that the inventor has been able to put a numerical value of break with certain parameters on any green is a new concept. Whilst something new and a change from the traditional values of the game ie hickory, persimmon, metal woods, graphite, gps, rangefinders, Trackman, gc2, etc etc, is hard to accept, these new technologies have been accepted in the game.

Yes you have the worlds no1s on men's and women's tours using Aimpoint, but Mahon, Gay, Aguilar, Rock, Fowler has been seen with the chart, Rose has expressed an interest in it, but Westwood,who won't hear anyone say anything bout his putting won't entertain it, and possibly others, Stacy Lewis won the other day with Kim 2nd, and Nordquist 3rd both also using the system. Just to name a few.

But don't be thinking that the pros on tour don't use charts for green reading as they ALL do in some form or another may not be Aimpoint but they have one. Jack Nicklaus was the first to use Strokesaver on tour, you honestly believe he wouldn't have mapped the greens as well?

 

[3565]

Yet there we see multiple pros on you tube videos giving multiple tips and ideas and swing changes etc etc for free and people just snap them up. Pros showing people how to get out of bunkers for free, pros showing people how to putt - for free , pros showing people how to encourage a draw - for free. All over the internet there are thousands upon thousands of methods for golf being given out for free.

This is a method which is not fully proven to work for everyone - yet they want payment to show people how to use their unproven method.

Please do not start throwing insults at me - believe the mods asked for that to stop. if you dont like my posts then please ignore them.

Maybe they are not business savvy? don't think Mr Crossfields isn't making money out of what he does... And my question was directed to You not to the you tubers who hope to make money from it. Just seems you want it for nothing.

Adam Scott, Stacey Lewis both Worlds No 1 right now, how much proof you want? Search on your PGATOUR.com you might find something that satisfies your freebie needs.

And that right there is where we share the same thoughts.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

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Maybe they are not business savvy? don't think Mr Crossfields isn't making money out of what he does... And my question was directed to You not to the you tubers who hope to make money from it. Just seems you want it for nothing.

Adam Scott, Stacey Lewis both Worlds No 1 right now, how much proof you want? Search on your PGATOUR.com you might find something that satisfies your freebie needs.

And that right there is where we share the same thoughts.

But i have seen both Scott and Lewis miss putts ? Believe it happened the other night when Scott thought it would break one way and it didnt - poor misread or a failing of aimpoint ?

It appears that Scott plays his best when he is driving and using the irons well - putting the ball closer to the hole.

Unless its just down to his putting ? Is that what you are suggesting ?

Sorry but yes to unproven because out of how many professional golfers ? You have a handful.

There are prob lots of different ways to read greens - how many charge to show their methods - one i believe - aimpoint - why ? prob because they know that golfers will try anything to gain an edge and will look to milk those golfers for the money.

 

[3565]

But i have seen both Scott and Lewis miss putts ? Believe it happened the other night when Scott thought it would break one way and it didnt - poor misread or a failing of aimpoint ?

It appears that Scott plays his best when he is driving and using the irons well - putting the ball closer to the hole.

Unless its just down to his putting ? Is that what you are suggesting ?

Sorry but yes to unproven because out of how many professional golfers ? You have a handful.

There are prob lots of different ways to read greens - how many charge to show their methods - one i believe - aimpoint - why ? prob because they know that golfers will try anything to gain an edge and will look to milk those golfers for the money.

thats a a shocker they both missed putts...... Have you? Have I? Has everyone on here? Has Tiger? You know there are varying factors to consider in putting. It doesn't take much to miss one, why, and I only watched bits of the Memorial, Scott missed, ask him? I know Costis said he's confused and not sure bout this putt just off the green and he canned it, only just tho. As for his improvement I posted a quote on his putting stats over past 5 yrs and never in top 100 but is now 18th, coincidence or not? I've never said it's solely down to his putting it's thru his general play that he is giving himself more opportunities within the 20ft scoring zone. But he still got to read and make a decent stroke on it. But you can't say he's holing more lengthy putts. So amalgamate the 2 factors, you'll improve. Strange how the Caddy who spent yrs with supposedly best golfer on planet Woods, and read his putts, doesn't for his new employer!

Yes you can get free tube vids on how to do this n that, but my pro is ex European tour winner and senior tour player, if I want to know how to play shots, I pay him. If I want a putting lesson I'll seek someone who deals with putting mechanics only, and as with reading greens. I wasn't that bad at reading but now I've got a better understanding on greens and have seen things I've never seen before. I proved it in an scratch match the other night my partner said it's right lip I said trust me it's 6" right, it was online broke to the cup and put it's brakes on 2" from centre cup. The lad was bemused with the read but he would of missed 2" on low side but low side never goes in.

You and I will never see eye to eye that's a certainty, your philosophy on golf works for you and you alone, how bout you leave others to their own philosophy.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

thats a a shocker they both missed putts...... Have you? Have I? Has everyone on here? Has Tiger? You know there are varying factors to consider in putting. It doesn't take much to miss one, why, and I only watched bits of the Memorial, Scott missed, ask him? I know Costis said he's confused and not sure bout this putt just off the green and he canned it, only just tho. As for his improvement I posted a quote on his putting stats over past 5 yrs and never in top 100 but is now 18th, coincidence or not? I've never said it's solely down to his putting it's thru his general play that he is giving himself more opportunities within the 20ft scoring zone. But he still got to read and make a decent stroke on it. But you can't say he's holing more lengthy putts. So amalgamate the 2 factors, you'll improve. Strange how the Caddy who spent yrs with supposedly best golfer on planet Woods, and read his putts, doesn't for his new employer!

Yes you can get free tube vids on how to do this n that, but my pro is ex European tour winner and senior tour player, if I want to know how to play shots, I pay him. If I want a putting lesson I'll seek someone who deals with putting mechanics only,

Again its not full proof is it - i understand it currently doesnt deal with double breaks ? and maybe in the future when there could be a majority doing it then possibly it might be worth looking at but as defensive as you are about it ( hence why these threads decsend into chaos ) its still a very much a minority of people using it - and that must be for a reason.

I have no doubt that you only saw the putts Scott got - it appears you always seem to miss the ones he misses ( poor stroke off course )

i have spoken to pros about it and the general consensus is the same - waste of money and slows the game down, thats people making money from the game.

Maybe if people where able to see the basics and try it before buying then possibly people might not be against it - but paying money to be shown a method of reading greens when pros have given methods for free in the past ( no thanks ) and even more so as someone has already pointed out - its more than likely a hash of previous methods used by people to gain money.

And just read your edit - yes i have a different thinking in golf - but i pretty sure im allowed to show an opinion of golf related things - i know its an opinion you dislike - well im sorry about that there is nothing i can do about that and im certainly not telling you what to do or not too do - but the issue i have is whenever aimpoint is mentioned and people show any sort of negative feeling towards it - you are immediately on them regardless of what it is they say - you appear unwilling to allow people to have a negative view towards aimpoint - sorry but people have the right to have that viewpoint.

your philosophy on golf works for you and you alone, how bout you leave others to their own philosophy.

Which philosophy is that ? having fun and not getting sucked in to spend money on stuff i believe is nonsense - think i might be right in saying im certainly not alone in that

 

[bluewolf]

Whilst I have no interest in the argument, I should point out that one of Stacy's sponsors is Aimpoint.. Along with La Croix mineral water... It seems to me that using Stacy as an example might be a bit dangerous, considering she is obviously paid to promote Aimpoint.. Unless you think that La Croix mineral water is also the best.. Because, you know, Stacy drinks it...

 

[3565]

Again its not full proof is it - i understand it currently doesnt deal with double breaks ? and maybe in the future when there could be a majority doing it then possibly it might be worth looking at but as defensive as you are about it ( hence why these threads decsend into chaos ) its still a very much a minority of people using it - and that must be for a reason.

I have no doubt that you only saw the putts Scott got - it appears you always seem to miss the ones he misses ( poor stroke off course )

i have spoken to pros about it and the general consensus is the same - waste of money and slows the game down, thats people making money from the game.

Maybe if people where able to see the basics and try it before buying then possibly people might not be against it - but paying money to be shown a method of reading greens when pros have given methods for free in the past ( no thanks ) and even more so as someone has already pointed out - its more than likely a hash of previous methods used by people to gain money.

And just read your edit - yes i have a different thinking in golf - but i pretty sure im allowed to show an opinion of golf related things - i know its an opinion you dislike - well im sorry about that there is nothing i can do about that and im certainly not telling you what to do or not too do - but the issue i have is whenever aimpoint is mentioned and people show any sort of negative feeling towards it - you are immediately on them regardless of what it is they say - you appear unwilling to allow people to have a negative view towards aimpoint - sorry but people have the right to have that viewpoint.

your philosophy on golf works for you and you alone, how bout you leave others to their own philosophy.

Which philosophy is that ? having fun and not getting sucked in to spend money on stuff i believe is nonsense - think i might be right in saying im certainly not alone in that

1. It does deal with double breaks. So sorry to inform you, YOU are wrong.

2. Defensive about Aimpoint I've not, I have tried on other Aimpoint threads to explain along with Homer and Virtuocity, and got an onslaught from the likes of you stating waste of time. Find a post where I've said you ALL must do Aimpoint. There have been plenty of postings yesterday attacking Aimpoint and I've read them all and stayed out of it until post #40 I think, I asked a question earlier about how do you go about holing putts to another forumer and you just couldn't resist to be a smarta** as you knew what I meant. So I laughed at the forumer post and let it be, but You then stated YOUR OPINION about Anyway, Aimpoint is blah de blah blah, I voiced my opinion that we know your stance and I don't respect yours and leave us all to our madness, I don't think that comment was out of order, but your feathers must of got ruffled in your budgie cage at Woburn when Stuart C found it funny. I might be wrong. I've been posting to others, some have asked, to me anyway, genuine questions about it and I've responded, so I immediately go on the defensive, I think not otherwise I'd of posted to ALL those who slagged, ridiculed Aimpoint. And I think you also create the chaos within threads with your inability to accept other peoples views by imposing your opinions on them, or is it you want the upper hand all the time? Your not 5ft 1 by any chance?

3. Your point about I just watch Scott making putts and blah blah......... Clutching straws. We all miss putts Aimpoint or not. But understand this Aimpoint does not swing the club........ Simples.

4. I've already posted about feeling with feet isn't a new concept, I don't think I have said it is, apart from turning the feeling into a numerical value of break to aim at.

5. Philosophy, stance, view, agenda call it what you want, you play golf for the hobby it is, the fun, the banter and to run round in 2hrs 38min telling people off if they hold you up. If that's the case then why can't you let people do what they want, you paid for an SLDR and bought into the TMBS philosophy, which works for you, but certainly did not work for me, but I've not pranced around on here like you, stating your A SUCKER for parting with your money and saw you coming! How can you believe it's nonsense when you know nothing about it, for proof, SEE point 1.

I will change my statement,

You and I will never see eye to eye, your belief in how the game should be played, works for you and you alone, others have their views in how it should be played for them. You need to respect that and I think it's best if we avoid each other as I have no interest in what you say anymore from now on.



Note. Some of my comments above are based on being sarcastic. But no doubt this well be deleted before many have read it.