Aimpoint is slow - FACT

[Deleted member 15344]

1. It does deal with double breaks. So sorry to inform you, YOU are wrong.

I pretty sure the question has been asked by numerous people and the answer was that something is coming ? - Has that extra arrived to include the double breaks

2. Defensive about Aimpoint I've not, I have tried on other Aimpoint threads to explain along with Homer and Virtuocity, and got an onslaught from the likes of you stating waste of time.

. There have been plenty of postings yesterday attacking Aimpoint and I've read them all and stayed out of it until post #40 I think, I asked a question earlier about how do you go about holing putts to another forumer and you just couldn't resist to be a smarta** as you knew what I meant. So I laughed at the forumer post and let it be, but You then stated YOUR OPINION about Anyway, Aimpoint is blah de blah blah, I voiced my opinion that we know your stance and I don't respect yours and leave us all to our madness, I don't think that comment was out of order, but your feathers must of got ruffled in your budgie cage at Woburn when Stuart C found it funny. I might be wrong. I've been posting to others, some have asked, to me anyway, genuine questions about it and I've responded, so I immediately go on the defensive, I think not otherwise I'd of posted to ALL those who slagged, ridiculed Aimpoint. And I think you also create the chaos within threads with your inability to accept other peoples views by imposing your opinions on them, or is it you want the upper hand all the time? Your not 5ft 1 by any chance?
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So when i was talking to Homer about it and gave my opinion about having to pay for it and it appears to slow play up - you didnt jump in at all in any defensive way about aimpoint ? I believe Homer actually said he could see my point about paying for it - you on the other hand posted about not respecting my opinion etc in post 82. No feathers have been ruffled here. Also nowhere have i stated that you have told people they all must do aimpoint ? - strange comment. Not sure what my size has to do with anything ?

3. Your point about I just watch Scott making putts and blah blah......... Clutching straws. We all miss putts Aimpoint or not. But understand this Aimpoint does not swing the club........ Simples.

So did you not start a thread about Scott putting well and bring in Aimpoint and then when it all went wrong it was nothing to do with aimpoint ? Must re read that thread again

4. I've already posted about feeling with feet isn't a new concept, I don't think I have said it is, apart from turning the feeling into a numerical value of break to aim at.

So its not new but this one you need to pay for - where as Faldo gave is method away for free

5. Philosophy, stance, view, agenda call it what you want, you play golf for the hobby it is, the fun, the banter and to run round in 2hrs 38min telling people off if they hold you up. If that's the case then why can't you let people do what they want, you paid for an SLDR and bought into the TMBS philosophy, which works for you, but certainly did not work for me, but I've not pranced around on here like you, stating your A SUCKER for parting with your money and saw you coming! How can you believe it's nonsense when you know nothing about it, for proof, SEE point 1.

I will change my statement,

Do you mean the same TM Driver that i was able to "TRY FOR FREE TO SEE IF IT WORKS FOR ME" and then parted with money .

I play to the ettitqute of golf and at the pace golf should be played at.

You and I will never see eye to eye, your belief in how the game should be played, works for you and you alone, others have their views in how it should be played for them. You need to respect that and I think it's best if we avoid each other as I have no interest in what you say anymore from now on.

I believe i mentioned that i you didnt like my comments on aimpoint that you should ignore them - it appears you didnt want too

Note. Some of my comments above are based on being sarcastic. But no doubt this well be deleted before many have read it.

Im not sure which post i should reply too - this or the exact same one you sent me via PM. But will address the points you have made to me in a respectful way

Have a nice day - just off for my two hour round to tell people off

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Gents, we sometimes need to respect other peoples opinions even though they don't marry up with ours.

I don't use aimpoint, but others do and that needs to be respected and having aimpoint threads swamped by the anti brigade isn't helpful.

Thankyou

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Do aimpointers still crouch down behind the ball to check the line, or is it just charts feet, etc ?

There is a skill in reading greens, and you can have the best stroke in the world, but will not hole much if you can't read them. Remember watching Ross Fisher in the Ryder Cup, and he was holing them from everywhere. It was his partner Harrington that was reading all the putts for him. Normally his putting for a Pro is poor.

Harrington uses aimpoint according to their website

 

[User20205]

Gents, we sometimes need to respect other peoples opinions even though they don't marry up with ours.

I don't use aimpoint, but others do and that needs to be respected and having aimpoint threads swamped by the anti brigade isn't helpful.

Thankyou

According to the OP & your own logic, phil, this is an anti aimpoint thread that's been trolled by pro aim pointers

Don't see you removing the pro comments

I do think some of the pros are very defensive, and in their defence they state that aimpoint pulls together previous, widely used green reading techniques. This makes it even more of a con. Rehash previously accepted techniques, pretend it's the new and charge £90 for it. Where do I sign up?

The comparison between other new golf technologies is a nonsense. They are widely used, aimpoint isn't.

It's all a bit stack and tilt to me, where did that go??

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Just trying to make sure that all views have a fair chance to be aired
Most of the negative stuff has been said before and is being repeated.

It's a shame that some threads get swamped by negative stuff and die early.
But take the point

 

[User20205]

Just trying to make sure that all views have a fair chance to be aired
Most of the negative stuff has been said before and is being repeated.

It's a shame that some threads get swamped by negative stuff and die early.
But take the point

I'm only messin' phil, keep vigilant :thup:

It is a shame that some threads degenerate, I think a lot of it has to do with posting style.

Some posters just wind others up, they could be posting any subject and the outcome would be the same.

 

[AmandaJR]

A genuine question - low side or high side? I see reference to finding the low side of the hole...is it always best to err on the side of the high side...gravity and all that? I've always assumed as much and if I'm a bit out then being a bit out on the high side is preferable?

 

[Spuddy]

A genuine question - low side or high side? I see reference to finding the low side of the hole...is it always best to err on the side of the high side...gravity and all that? I've always assumed as much and if I'm a bit out then being a bit out on the high side is preferable?

I guess it depends whether or not you prefer an uphill or downhill for your next putt.....

 

[HawkeyeMS]

A genuine question - low side or high side? I see reference to finding the low side of the hole...is it always best to err on the side of the high side...gravity and all that? I've always assumed as much and if I'm a bit out then being a bit out on the high side is preferable?

The high side is the pro side :thup:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

According to the OP & your own logic, phil, this is an anti aimpoint thread that's been trolled by pro aim pointers

Don't see you removing the pro comments

I do think some of the pros are very defensive, and in their defence they state that aimpoint pulls together previous, widely used green reading techniques. This makes it even more of a con. Rehash previously accepted techniques, pretend it's the new and charge £90 for it. Where do I sign up?

The comparison between other new golf technologies is a nonsense. They are widely used, aimpoint isn't.

It's all a bit stack and tilt to me, where did that go??

As I've said before, this £90 is a misnomer. You get the chance to go back ad do a refresher at any point free so if you took up the offer effectively you are doing two sessions at £45 per time for three hours. At £15 per hour that's a lot cheaper than a golf lesson. I am not defensive at all but I do get bored when people post crap on here who aren't prepared to accept that a) it might just work, b) have no intention of even trying it and c) its some kind of money fleecing operation.

Like anything in golf (£350 drivers and mega expensive Scotty Camerons!!) you have the choice. All I'll say is I'm more than happy to talk to anyone and show them the chart and how it works at a forum meet and refere them back to my stats which have gone from 34-35 putts per round to 30-31. Yes I'm chipping better but you still have to convert those 3-8 footers for up and downs and I'm making more in the 10-20 foot range too. Aimpoint will be seen more and more especially the express read Scott uses.
I've said my piece on the way it works and the benefit I've seen but no-one wants to listen to anything positive when its easier to knock it.

 

[Scrindle]

At £15 per hour that's a lot cheaper than a golf lesson[...]my stats which have gone from 34-35 putts per round to 30-31. Yes I'm chipping better[...]

I don't really understand what Aimpoint is, having never looked at it, so I'm not going to jump on the pro or con band wagon.

That said Aimpoint costs £90 and if I had spent £90 on putting lessons (£100 would get me 6 lessons with a 5 and 1 deal my pro is doing, so 3 hours with a pro pulling apart my technique and giving me tips) and only noticed a 10% difference (which is what your stats suggest), while also consciously knowing that my chipping had improved and was getting me closer to holes in the first place, I would be pretty annoyed at what I would consider to be a waste of money.

Granted you get free refreshers, though I imagine that to be a bit of a misnomer really since probably 90% of people don't bother going back (something I imagine the company banks on).

I don't think they're fleecing anyone - the purpose of a company is to make as much money through as little effort as possible, afterall, so fair play to them if people are buying their product since it makes them a success - and haven't tested the method so am not best placed to critique it, but from what you've described as your improvement (may I asked over what period?) I can't help but feel that I would be better off buying £90 worth of lessons.

I am not defensive at all

This is a bit of a silly thing to say in my view. Conversely, I don't really understand what people actually mean when they accuse people of being defensive. Of course you're defensive. You're using a system you believe in and someone is questioning its validity. If you weren't defensive, I would be questioning your sincerity in relation to the product!

 

[CMAC]

Gents, we sometimes need to respect other peoples opinions even though they don't marry up with ours.

I don't use aimpoint, but others do and that needs to be respected and having aimpoint threads swamped by the anti brigade isn't helpful.

Thankyou

wise words for the mods

 

[Qwerty]

I can honestly say that I would never use Aimpoint even if it gave a huge advantage.

Reading greens is a skill Thats learned over years of playing the game and its a skill that it I take great pleasure from when I get it right. Why would I want to lose that pleasure which is gained from a large part of the game.

Are your scores/handicap really that important that you feel the need to take away the pleasure gained from reading a putt correctly and then holing it?

I get my kicks from this game via the Skill & judgement Thats required. Take that away from me and the game starts to become dull.

 

[tsped83]

This whole debate has turned into a playground farce. It's quite sad and tedious to read the same things repeatedly. For me, Aimpoint, not interested, that said, if someone wants to use it and it's within the rules, good luck to them. The constant criticism, sneering and badgering for evidence and proof that it works is so unbearably boring! You don't like it? MOVE ON!

 

[richart]

Harrington uses aimpoint according to their website

Don't think he did then.

Not sure he is a good example as his putting has not been so good recently. Probably more to his stroke than his reading of greens though.

 

[garyinderry]

I can honestly say that I would never use Aimpoint even if it gave a huge advantage.

Reading greens is a skill Thats learned over years of playing the game and its a skill that it I take great pleasure from when I get it right. Why would I want to lose that pleasure which is gained from a large part of the game.

Are your scores/handicap really that important that you feel the need to take away the pleasure gained from reading a putt correctly and then holing it?

I get my kicks from this game via the Skill & judgement Thats required. Take that away from me and the game starts to become dull.

I remember the first time I played tiger woods and my nephew pressed L1 or whatever it was to see the tiger line when putting. I thought it was cheating as it removed the skill. pretty much the same here!

 

[Birchy]

Can people not just learn how to read the greens? Or is that down to natural ability?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Can people not just learn how to read the greens? Or is that down to natural ability?

That's what they are doing by using aimpoint. All it is is another method of reading greens, you either use it or you don't. If it was free, I doubt it would have as much opposition as it does.

 

[Birchy]

That's what they are doing by using aimpoint. All it is is another method of reading greens, you either use it or you don't. If it was free, I doubt it would have as much opposition as it does.

You don't need all these charts and stuff like that to read greens though?

To be fair I have read a bit of the information and it is very in depth for such a simple task imo. I think they are making money out of overcomplicating something.

I can understand people doing it though if they are desperate to improve putting and have tried everything else.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

One of the things that has been overlooked - again - is that these charts are universal and so really help when playing away courses. You may be able to read greens well, especially you own, but it you're being 100% honest, how many struggle on away greens.

By being able to gauge the break based on the slope and angle and a quick look at the chart, at least I can stand there, and feel confident I know how much break to read. Again, how many are guilty of under/over reading putts at other courses. It worked a treat at KoK at Camberley, the Grove and at forum meets at West Hill etc. Didn't do any harm at St Pierre or FoA either.

If you really feel confident you can read putts well then well done. I can't and this has helped me. Someone said my putting stats had only improved by 10% but it's only small margins like that which makes a difference between 0.1 back and buffer's and cuts so I'll take that kind of improvement