Aimpoint is slow - FACT

3565 said:
As an Aimpoint user, I agree with you on this. I respect your view in not being interested in it, and I'm not here to convince you or any other either. I, as others, have tried to explain Aimpoint, and as we have done the course are in a better position to give a view point then those who haven't, I'm open to new ideas and concepts in this game and won't discount it on others sceptisium, I do my research on product/item and if I think I need some answers, I will ask those who have tried and liked and those who tried and disliked rather then the ones who just give their unfounded opinions because they think there entitled to post them.
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Question from a philistine (me): Do you always stick rigidly to what the technique tells you? Even despite what your eyes might tell you differently? I would really struggle with that and can certainly imagine it affecting my confidence and hence ability to make a good solid stroke. Yes sure - get a few right 'despite what your eyes tell you' and your confidence is bolstered. But if you saw Bubba putting from edge of the 18th last round of the Memorial at the weekend - what would aimpoint have told you to do?
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
I really hope you don't use anything less than the bladiest, least forgiving clubs ever designed.

That follows your same logic. Hitting the perfect strike using those will be the best feeling ever, so why would you lose that pleasure by using easier clubs!
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Not really a great analogy. Two totally different aspects of the game.

I don't think you understand though where I'm coming from though..
I don't care if Aimpoint makes the game easier. If people think it does and it works for them, great, crack on with it.

As I said earlier, I get a lot of enjoyment from reading a putt correctly then making the putt. It's a large percentage of the game. Why would I want a chart or system taking away the pleasure I get from making that judgement.

My issue isn't about people wanting to make the game easier via aimpoint, its about aimpoint taking away the pleasure that I get from judging/reading a putt.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Question from a philistine (me): Do you always stick rigidly to what the technique tells you? Even despite what your eyes might tell you differently? I would really struggle with that and can certainly imagine it affecting my confidence and hence ability to make a good solid stroke. Yes sure - get a few right 'despite what your eyes tell you' and your confidence is bolstered. But if you saw Bubba putting from edge of the 18th last round of the Memorial at the weekend - what would aimpoint have told you to do?
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I have best of both worlds if you like, old method and Aimpoint. Aimpoint has added to my game the knowledge they gained I have gained, no different to going to a Pro for swing changes, one is different to the other, as in green mapping and reading. I will ask a question to you, Have you had lessons from a pro? Likely answer is yes. Have You had a lesson on green reading from him? Likely hood is no and you like myself over years of playing picked it up thru playing and learning.

Do I stick with the technique, yes, do I sometimes fall fowl of some subtleties, yes, I'm not going to say no for the sake of it, I'm just being honest with you. We all misread putts at times but the biggest thing that it helps on is getting the big breaks aiming right and it makes no odds if I stood on a green of 8 stimp or 12 stimp the system will tell me where to aim? Hypothetically and I stress hypothetically, If a system or device 'could' predict that from XXX yds out with a wind 25mph right to left you must aim X yds right of the target, would that be useful? The tradionalists would say that's not right, DMDs banned Aimpoint banned yet they have a bag of oversized game improving clubs etc. Aimpoint calculates the break you need to play, that's all, does it hole putts for you no, as your in control of aim, length of stroke and speed, just like being XXX yds from the green the DMDs can't hit the shot.

As for Bubba, I can't comment on what Aimpoint would do as you need to be there to get your parameters and I wish I could play on greens that fast and break that amount like on 18, but reality of the average club in the UK don't, but I do play all over in scratch comps and like last week at Ganton, it helped, I holed a few and missed a few, I did 3 putt but that's my failing for not executing the putt properly. If I holed everything I putted, i would of been at the Memorial playing.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Question from a philistine (me): Do you always stick rigidly to what the technique tells you? Even despite what your eyes might tell you differently? I would really struggle with that and can certainly imagine it affecting my confidence and hence ability to make a good solid stroke. Yes sure - get a few right 'despite what your eyes tell you' and your confidence is bolstered. But if you saw Bubba putting from edge of the 18th last round of the Memorial at the weekend - what would aimpoint have told you to do?
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Was reading some stuff from Stacey Lewis and she ignores the conventional things in regards where a green normally slopes towards - ie the water or away from a bunker etc and believe in gravity. She was talking about the 11th when every one knows the green slopes towards the pond but some of the slopes feel like they are sloping away from the pond - Augusta she says ( from something Harrington told her ) plays havoc with aimpoint in regards feel under your feet because of all the subtleties in their greens
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Was reading some stuff from Stacey Lewis and she ignores the conventional things in regards where a green normally slopes towards - ie the water or away from a bunker etc and believe in gravity. She was talking about the 11th when every one knows the green slopes towards the pond but some of the slopes feel like they are sloping away from the pond - Augusta she says ( from something Harrington told her ) plays havoc with aimpoint in regards feel under your feet because of all the subtleties in their greens
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I know a couple of other courses where that would be the case too. Grimms Dyke and Walton Heath both have greens that not only have slopes in them but also have areas that are best described as 'uneven' or 'puddles' - and it's quite deliberate, I've seen the feature being created in a replacement green at GD! I'm not sure A/p would be particularly helpful at either of those courses. Tom Watson even remarked on the feature in the Senior Open at WH a few years ago - from his memory of them in '81.
 
SocketRocket said:
Load of old Bullocks.
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Qwerty said:
Not really a great analogy. Two totally different aspects of the game.

I don't think you understand though where I'm coming from though..
I don't care if Aimpoint makes the game easier. If people think it does and it works for them, great, crack on with it.

As I said earlier, I get a lot of enjoyment from reading a putt correctly then making the putt. It's a large percentage of the game. Why would I want a chart or system taking away the pleasure I get from making that judgement.

My issue isn't about people wanting to make the game easier via aimpoint, its about aimpoint taking away the pleasure that I get from judging/reading a putt.
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Would that be similar to GPS and Laser rangefinders!

I'll get me coat!
 
Funny your should say that. They do provide a spirit level which also measures the slope so students can check the mid point of the slope and their percentage slope estimation as it takes some getting use to http://woodyimports.com/collections/aimpoint-endorsed-training-aids/products/aimpoint-digital-level

I wouldn't dream of getting one myself as its about learning the technique, getting the right read and making the putts. However using it in the lessons is affirmation, especially on a refresher that you are doing it properly
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Funny your should say that. They do provide a spirit level which also measures the slope so students can check the mid point of the slope and their percentage slope estimation as it takes some getting use to http://woodyimports.com/collections/aimpoint-endorsed-training-aids/products/aimpoint-digital-level

I wouldn't dream of getting one myself as its about learning the technique, getting the right read and making the putts. However using it in the lessons is affirmation, especially on a refresher that you are doing it properly
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youve be opened a can of worms now for the haters Homer....... :thup:
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Funny your should say that. They do provide a spirit level which also measures the slope so students can check the mid point of the slope and their percentage slope estimation as it takes some getting use to http://woodyimports.com/collections/aimpoint-endorsed-training-aids/products/aimpoint-digital-level

I wouldn't dream of getting one myself as its about learning the technique, getting the right read and making the putts. However using it in the lessons is affirmation, especially on a refresher that you are doing it properly
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When could they use the spirit level on the greens though ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
When could they use the spirit level on the greens though ?
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Its a training aid. Designed to get you learning the degree of slope and finding the midpoint crucial to get the right read. As I've said I wouldn't use one outside of the lesson but I can see its merits. I've seen people take them onto a course in the evening and use it.
 
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