Aimpoint is slow - FACT

[jimbob.someroo]

Not a huge fan of it after considering it for a bit last year. I've already got too much going on in me heed on the greens. New approach is just to whack it at the hole whilst humming a catchy tune.

Seems to be working for Scotty though. Has gone from upwards of 150 to top 20 in either strokes saved / average putts according to summink they said on TV t'other night.

 

[AmandaJR]

Not a huge fan of it after considering it for a bit last year. I've already got too much going on in me heed on the greens. New approach is just to whack it at the hole whilst humming a catchy tune.

Seems to be working for Scotty though. Has gone from upwards of 150 to top 20 in either strokes saved / average putts according to summink they said on TV t'other night.

Best putting day I ever had in a comp was when I had "Price Tag" going round and round in my head. It's not about the money, money...tried since to recreate that but it was a one off!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I briefly saw Scott standing astride his line and gauging the slope with his feet. It was about 4' and he missed. Commentators said "he can't believe that didn't move as he felt he hit a good putt". Nothing is foolproof but have to say that kind of put me off the theory!

Personally I don't see how standing with the ball between your legs tells you the slope on the path of the putt?

Many many years ago, I read a thing that Faldo said about walking along next to the line of the putt and feeling the slope with your feet. It is something I do occasionally if I'm really not sure of the read. Aimpoint is nothing new it seems.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So can this thread be used for negative remarks about Aimpoint ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Not overly convinced by the express read. In aimpoint terms I may be a luddite but I like the comfort blanket of the chart to tell me what my read is rather than just relying on the feeling in my feet and sticking an arm out.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

So can this thread be used for negative remarks about Aimpoint ?

Give me strength

only constructive comments (positive or negative) about the effect of aimpoint on pace of play on this thread please.

thank you

 

[3565]

Not overly convinced by the express read. In aimpoint terms I may be a luddite but I like the comfort blanket of the chart to tell me what my read is rather than just relying on the feeling in my feet and sticking an arm out.

Homer trust me it's as accurate as the Chart.

 

[User20205]

Not overly convinced by the express read. In aimpoint terms I may be a luddite but I like the comfort blanket of the chart to tell me what my read is rather than just relying on the feeling in my feet and sticking an arm out.

Maybe off topic, but with aimpoint, the linear method, and NGT, it's all a bit paint by numbers, isn't it?

If you got to 4 without all of the above, why do you need them now?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Homer trust me it's as accurate as the Chart.

I'm sure it is but as I say feel happier with the chart as verification.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Maybe off topic, but with aimpoint, the linear method, and NGT, it's all a bit paint by numbers, isn't it?

If you got to 4 without all of the above, why do you need them now?

Got to 4 ?

Thats good golf that - when was this ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Maybe off topic, but with aimpoint, the linear method, and NGT, it's all a bit paint by numbers, isn't it?

If you got to 4 without all of the above, why do you need them now?

Linear method no more. Much more conventional now and reaping rewards. NGT - not been out of the buffer zone since. Aimpoint - averaging almost 30 putts per round and going down. That and I was at the club 24/7 every day and working and playing loads with daily access to a solid teaching pro. That and I was 16, no aching bones, no wife. Where did I go wrong

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Linear method no more. Much more conventional now and reaping rewards. NGT - not been out of the buffer zone since. Aimpoint - averaging almost 30 putts per round and going down. That and I was at the club 24/7 every day and working and playing loads with daily access to a solid teaching pro. That and I was 16, no aching bones, no wife. Where did I go wrong

Did you stop playing for while ? 4 at the age of 16 is good golf

 

[User20205]

Linear method no more. Much more conventional now and reaping rewards. NGT - not been out of the buffer zone since. Aimpoint - averaging almost 30 putts per round and going down. That and I was at the club 24/7 every day and working and playing loads with daily access to a solid teaching pro. That and I was 16, no aching bones, no wife. Where did I go wrong

You can't equate the love of a good woman to a handicap figure homer!!
Surely it's better to be chopping it around off 28 (with clean shoes) than playing off 4 and having to cook your own spag Bol!!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Did you stop playing for while ? 4 at the age of 16 is good golf

Wanted to do the pro course but parents couldn't afford it, club wouldn't sponsor me. Kept going until 18 then got a proper job, found beer, women and went back to football. Injuries, no practice and other things mean I have never got back to those halcyon days. Mind you I did bunk off my 5th form at school and was getting £40pw (cash in hand) and only popped back to do my exams. Still got English Language (grade A - taken at 14) advanced O levels in Business Studies and English Lit, O levels in Economics and History and a CSE grade 1 in Maths. Pretty good considering.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Wanted to do the pro course but parents couldn't afford it, club wouldn't sponsor me. Kept going until 18 then got a proper job, found beer, women and went back to football. Injuries, no practice and other things mean I have never got back to those halcyon days. Mind you I did bunk off my 5th form at school and was getting £40pw (cash in hand) and only popped back to do my exams. Still got English Language (grade A - taken at 14) advanced O levels in Business Studies and English Lit, O levels in Economics and History and a CSE grade 1 in Maths. Pretty good considering.

Did you have the same stand up swing thingy back then ?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Guys , can we get back on track please
Nice to see a LP & Homer love in

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Did you have the same stand up swing thingy back then ?

Yes. Been there from day 1 but as a youngster with the hand eye co-ordination and hitting balls and playing at least 18 every day I could compensate so much better.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes. Been there from day 1 but as a youngster with the hand eye co-ordination and hitting balls and playing at least 18 every day I could compensate so much better.

No worries

Anyway - Aimpoint - sorry but think its madness for anyone to pay to be shown a method on how to read a green.

Why not just allow people to download the methods and charts etc

 

[3565]

Not a huge fan of it after considering it for a bit last year. I've already got too much going on in me heed on the greens. New approach is just to whack it at the hole whilst humming a catchy tune.

Seems to be working for Scotty though. Has gone from upwards of 150 to top 20 in either strokes saved / average putts according to summink they said on TV t'other night.

I respect your comment on it. And since using this method it's the first time Scott has broken into the top 100.
Extract from PGATOUR.COM

.452 Strokes gained-putting for Adam Scott during the 2013-14 season, which ranks 18th on TOUR. … Scott gained .644 shots on the field in putting en route to winning the Crowne Plaza Invitational at Colonial, which ranked 26th among the field. A lot has been made about the anchored putting stroke, which will be banned in 2016. Scott has used the long putter since 2011 and it’s clearly helped him. In 2009, he lost .888 shots to the field average on the greens (180th on TOUR). In 2010, he lost .746 shots (186th). But he lost just .172 shots (142nd) in 2011, .204 shots in 2012 (148th) and finished above the field average at .001 in 2013 (T102). This year has been even better through his first eight events of the season. Scott also ranks fourth on TOUR in putting from 15 to 25 feet, 12th in putting from 15 to 20 feet and eighth in putting from more than 25 feet.

The improvement has been a combination of all aspects of his game but the massive gain from 102 to 18th in putting, you have to ask why the sudden Improvement this year? Is it a coincidence that he's learnt and uses Aimpoint?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

No worries

Anyway - Aimpoint - sorry but think its madness for anyone to pay to be shown a method on how to read a green.

Why not just allow people to download the methods and charts etc

I kind of see your point but you get to go on a free refresher so the £90 cost is actually on £45 if you take up the offer. For several hours that's no more than seeing a teaching pro so the cost issue is a misnomer to a degree. Why do it? Good question but having hit putts for years and wondered why it has or hasn't taken the break I'd seen as often as I liked I wanted to see if it was just me. As the course was held at the same place I have lessons it was on the doorstep which was also a clincher (and I got a tiny discount).

It does come down to physics but I am still surprised when I do a read, look at the chart and see how much it suggest the ball will move. It isn't infallible and you have to have a decent stroke (something I am constantly working hard to get better at). For me, it gives me piece of mind about the read and so can focus on pace and let gravity do the work. With the confidence of the read I can put a solid stroke on the putt.