95%?

[jim8flog]

Will 95% apply in stableford comps as well? I've seen lots of comments relating to stroke play, I'm guessing it's the same, but no one has specifically mentioned stableford.

As already said it does apply in a Stableford comp but only for deciding the winners of the competition.

It does not apply to handicap alterations which are based upon your Course Handicap and it is important not to pick up before you should. You should only pick up when you would score zero points based upon your Course Handicap.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

As already said it does apply in a Stableford comp but only for deciding the winners of the competition.

It does not apply to handicap alterations which are based upon your Course Handicap and it is important not to pick up before you should. You should only pick up when you would score zero points based upon your Course Handicap.

So for actually marking the card I score off full handicap? Only when the scores are in does it get reduced? I must be understanding that incorrectly

Okay, just thought about this. I mark the card normally but on the hole or holes where shots are taken away by the 95% rule the player has to remember not to pick up when they can't score on that hole. Is that right? Not conducive to the idea of speeding up play as people may play that extra shot more often, just in case.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So for actually marking the card I score off full handicap? Only when the scores are in does it get reduced? I must be understanding that incorrectly

You mark your scorecard from your playing handicap - ie the handicap allowance for the format that you are playing so in a Stableford it will be 95% of your course handicap

So if you have a course handicap of 11 your playing handicap in strokeplay will be 10

 

[Lord Tyrion]

You mark your scorecard from your playing handicap - ie the handicap allowance for the format that you are playing so in a Stableford it will be 95% of your course handicap

So if you have a course handicap of 11 your playing handicap in strokeplay will be 10

In that example though, according to jim8flog, on SI 11, I keep going past the point where I can no longer score, by one extra shot. Is that right?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In that example though, according to jim8flog, on SI 11, I keep going past the point where I can no longer score, by one extra shot. Is that right?

All depends on what format you are playing

If it’s a Stableford and you don’t get a shot and you can’t score then pick up - if your playing handicap says you don’t have a shot there then that’s it

Simple way - put your course handicap in the box , enter your gross scores and let the computer work it out. Far easier

 

[rulefan]

So for actually marking the card I score off full handicap? Only when the scores are in does it get reduced? I must be understanding that incorrectly

Okay, just thought about this. I mark the card normally but on the hole or holes where shots are taken away by the 95% rule the player has to remember not to pick up when they can't score on that hole. Is that right? Not conducive to the idea of speeding up play as people may play that extra shot more often, just in case.

The only requirement is to enter your no of strokes for the hole. The computer (or committee) will sort out the results of the competition (whether stableford or medal) and any handicap details. If you want to enter your stableford points for your own interest you can but it is not a requirement. But as said, use your playing Course Handicap to ensure you don't pick up too soon.


As an aside, if you don't hole out in a medal it is not a disaster. Although you would be DQd from the comp, in certain circumstances, the WHS makes provision for a number of holes not completed and makes the appropriate handicap adjustment.

 

[BubbaP]

In that example though, according to jim8flog, on SI 11, I keep going past the point where I can no longer score, by one extra shot. Is that right?

That was my understanding from here:
https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/threads/world-handicap-system-whs.104054/post-2247224

 

[jim8flog]

. But as said, use your playing handicap to ensure you don't pick up too soon.


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Needs an edit to Course Handicap

 

[jim8flog]

All depends on what format you are playing

If it’s a Stableford and you don’t get a shot and you can’t score then pick up - if your playing handicap says you don’t have a shot there then that’s it

As already said - if your Course Handicap says you do not get a point......

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The only requirement is to enter your no of strokes for the hole. The computer (or committee) will sort out the results of the competition (whether stableford or medal) and any handicap details. If you want to enter your stableford points for your own interest you can but it is not a requirement. But as said, use your playing handicap to ensure you don't pick up too soon.


As an aside, if you don't hole out in a medal it is not a disaster. Although you would be DQd from the comp, in certain circumstances, the WHS makes provision for a number of holes not completed and makes the appropriate handicap adjustment.

In reality I don't know anyone who doesn't score as they go along in stableford. We may not have to but people do.

Good info anyway, thanks.

 

[jim8flog]

In reality I don't know anyone who doesn't score as they go along in stableford. We may not have to but people do.

Good info anyway, thanks.

Virtually all player's I play with score the points as they as they go but it has taken a lot of getting through to them, over the years, it is the gross score on each hole on the card that needs to be checked at the end of the round and not the Stableford points.

I have seen more than one player lose out because they had only agreed the Stableford points with their marker and not the grosses, when the former was correct but the latter wrong.


One of the things I really like in the current situation is that I am responsible for marking the gross score on my own card, make a mistake and it is only me to blame.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Think it was 4/5 years ago the 4BBB allowance changed from 3/4 to 90%

 

[williamalex1]

Think it was 4/5 years ago the 4BBB allowance changed from 3/4 to 90%

I remember it was 7/8ths for stableford

 

[Swango1980]

All depends on what format you are playing

If it’s a Stableford and you don’t get a shot and you can’t score then pick up - if your playing handicap says you don’t have a shot there then that’s it

Simple way - put your course handicap in the box , enter your gross scores and let the computer work it out. Far easier

Your second paragraph is incorrect. It is your course handicap that should dictate when you can pick up, not playing handicap.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I remember it was 7/8ths for stableford

Thank heavens for metrification, and calculators on phones.

 

[rulefan]

Needs an edit to Course Handicap

Oops again.
Done

 

[rulefan]

I remember it was 7/8ths for stableford

Wasn't that for BetterBall stableford?

 

[williamalex1]

Wasn't that for BetterBall stableford?

Sorry I can't remember, but there was a few different allowances way back , I think there may have been 1/3rd as well, they had ready reckoner charts on the back of tee holders and pitch repairers.
Rosecott [ Jim ] or DFT will know for sure .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Your second paragraph is incorrect. It is your course handicap that should dictate when you can pick up, not playing handicap.

So what exactly is the purpose of a playing handicap being created at 95% - it’s just trying to manufacture results.

 

[rosecott]

Sorry I can't remember, but there was a few different allowances way back , I think there may have been 1/3rd as well, they had ready reckoner charts on the back of tee holders and pitch repairers.
Rosecott [ Jim ] or DFT will know for sure .

Despite Billy's veiled suggestion that I'm as old as Methusela, I only have CONGU manuals going back to 2001 - no mention of 3/8 or 1/3 in them, just full in singles and 3/4 elsewhere (1/2 in the dreaded foursomes).