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[harpo_72]

I struggle also with comparing Russell’s brake force and Piastri … brake cooling is a complete mystery in its own right. A long pedal may have been the issue and the bite point moving down the travel caught him out .. people tend to press harder when they don’t feel the stop is happening quick enough ..
But historically following directly behind the leader is pretty much going to end up in a shunt.
What’s done is done though and this will just be another strange FIA decision consigned to the history books.

 

[cliveb]

As much as I'm not a fan of Max, this wasn't his fault. Piastri braked too quickly and hard for the conditions.

Yes, but it was instigated by the safety car waiting until it was way too close to the end of the lap before turning off its lights.
Faced with that, Piastri had two options: brake too hard, or compromise his restart.

 

[Swango1980]

Personally I think you have answered your own question.
The conditions were shocking. So the simple question is why would Verstappen be right behind Piastri. If you go into the back of someone on a road it’s your fault. Not the person in front of you.

Verstappen had no reason whatsoever to be right behind Piastri. Furthermore Verstappen knew there had been problems before re safety car and he played on it. He knew Piastri and others including himself gets the brakes up to temp.
There’s a bit of a clue in the “ safety car”. It’s there for a reason. The guy in pole position picks the pace and where he puts his car. It seems Verstappen ( no one else ) has a problem with it.
It is the second time it has happened to Verstappen. Why?
The first time he was found to be in the wrong so why put yourself in the same position in worse conditions.
He has always been very good at playing a victim.

I'm not sure what you are getting at? It is a race. There are no laws against tailgating when racing.

If Verstappen had been right on his tail as he was still going slowly, then yes, you can blame Max for putting pressure on him while going at safety car pace. If Max overtakes, it is Max's fault, and he could be penalised.

But that didn't happen. Piastri sped up, as if he had commenced the race again. It is Max's job to try and react to that, make sure the lead driver doesn't get a jump on him. He did what every other driver would do. Ideally, the second driver reacts well, and gives themselves an overtaking opportunity into first corner.

But then Piastri inexplicably hammered the brakes on again. Had that been a normal lap, he'd have been guilty of brake testing. As I said previously, the data clearly must have backed that up, rather than just relying on visuals

 

[jim8flog]

Two great motor racing achievements this past weekend. Niko Hulkenberg finally gets on to the podium for the first time in his career. And in the States, Scott Dixon won an Indycar race for the 21st consecutive season when he triumphed at Mid-Ohio.

Palou- shows even the best can get it wrong on more than one occasion.

 

[jim8flog]

I struggle also with comparing Russell’s brake force and Piastri … brake cooling is a complete mystery in its own right. A long pedal may have been the issue and the bite point moving down the travel caught him out .. people tend to press harder when they don’t feel the stop is happening quick enough ..
But historically following directly behind the leader is pretty much going to end up in a shunt.
What’s done is done though and this will just be another strange FIA decision consigned to the history books.

from the commentary it appears from the telemetry the stewards can compare the brake force being applied in PSI in both instances which helps them to decide if the braking was excessive.

 

[jim8flog]

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You know that's AI or a game?

 

[Swango1980]

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What video game is that from?

 

[Deleted member 18645]

Palou- shows even the best can get it wrong on more than one occasion.

Shocked the whole of Indycar that did - Palou is getting compared with the best in history now.
Scott Dixon was trying to pull one of his "fuel mileage specials" at Road America but came up just short the week before.
Now to the Iowa double-header and can Newgarden recover his oval form and dominate as he has in the past there. Penske are going downhill faster than Christian Horner though at the moment.

 

[jim8flog]

You know that's AI or a game?

What video game is that from?

I remember a few years back when Coulthard drove for Mercedes.

Possibly Silverstone

They lined up an A Class
A Mercedes SL of some model
Coulthard and FI car

He was sat on the side of it reading a news paper.

They let the A class go
Sometime aftewards they let the SL go
Coulthard got up and got in to the F1 car, they strapped him in and fired up the engine an off he went. He beat both of the other cars to the finish line

 

[Deleted member 35927]

I remember a few years back when Coulthard drove for Mercedes.

Possibly Silverstone

They lined up an A Class
A Mercedes SL of some model
Coulthard and FI car

He was sat on the side of it reading a news paper.

They let the A class go
Sometime aftewards they let the SL go
Coulthard got up and got in to the F1 car, they strapped him in and fired up the engine an off he went. He beat both of the other cars to the finish line

Yeah I remember, also the Williams F1 car round the top gear track was under a minute.

List of Top Gear test track Power Lap times - Wikipedia

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[HampshireHog]

McClaren in real danger of screwing it up and letting Max win the championship from nowhere.

Team orders in the final race?

 

[rulefan]

McClaren in real danger of screwing it up and letting Max win the championship from nowhere.

Team orders in the final race?

They chose the wrong tyres

 

[Tashyboy]

The sad thing about the F1 thread is that no one has commented on it since July 11th. I think that’s how F1 has gone.

 

[NearHull]

I really enjoyed the race. The pit lane on lap 32 was bedlam. I’m a Lewis fan but I’d like to see Norris win the Championship.

 

[SteveW86]

McLaren have messed it up by treating the drivers equally. The downside of not having a number 1 and 2 driver. Though they won the constructors and that is the one that matters if they don’t win the drivers too it will be a massive disappointment for them.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lando or Oscar end up leaving McLaren to be a number 1 somewhere else…..but not sure where they could go atm.

 

[NearHull]

I’m pretty sure Lewis would swop.

 

[ger147]

McClaren in real danger of screwing it up and letting Max win the championship from nowhere.

Team orders in the final race?

There is no "letting" involved, Max has been absolutely superb over the last 3 or 4 months to extract the maximum amount of points from every opportunity presented as well as being by far the best car/driver combo at a number of the more recent races. And when he hasn't been the quickest, like today, he still has to be in position to take advantage.

McLaren should have pitted at least Piastri today and they would have won the race. They tried to be ultra safe and lost out to Max.

If he can somehow nick the driver's championship next weekend, he'll knock Lazarus off the no.1 spot of the comeback chart...

 

[jim8flog]

Since ditching Sky I have now watch on Channel 4 which is often shown after it has been run,
I like watching the news and it is really hard not to know results as they often get given in the preamble.

I think Piastri summed it up really well yesterday in his post race interview - " I have no words".

I also liked the comment that came out about Max - would his results be that good if he had Lando or Oscar as the other driver in the team. When you have a 'one driver team' it is very easy to concentrate on what he wants and needs.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I also liked the comment that came out about Max - would his results be that good if he had Lando or Oscar as the other driver in the team. When you have a 'one driver team' it is very easy to concentrate on what he wants and needs.

Isn't that the case with the majority of World Champions? Most have the team geared up around one key person, history has shown us that. It shows how good the two McLaren drivers are, yes I know, best car ........but they are doing it without exclusivity.