2019 Cricket

[Papas1982]

The analogy with football is just apples and pears.

Rotating the squad in cricket is the same as rotating the squad in football. Happens for a variety of reasons.

The correct analogy between the sports is India were 2-1 down with 10 minutes to go and just passed the ball around the back 4.

Incredibly strange to watch.

If England were playing a game at a world cup and found themselves in that scenario where 3-1 sends em home or 2-2 helps a rival then i'd accept it.

That being said, i don't think their tail is any good and they stalled, much like we did when Roy got out.

 

[Kellfire]

I'd say that in any sport a team should do what is in the best interests for their team.
Not that i'm accepting they threw it, but they can do as they wish.

You aren’t accepting they threw it? They only attempted singles when boundaries were needed. What more evidence do you need?

 

[Papas1982]

You aren’t accepting they threw it? They only attempted singles when boundaries were needed. What more evidence do you need?

Would you prefer they threw their wicket away if they knew they couldn't get enough bat on ball?

Sometimes it happens where a point is reached where the run chase is simply to high.

 

[TheDiablo]

If England were playing a game at a world cup and found themselves in that scenario where 3-1 sends em home or 2-2 helps a rival then i'd accept it.

That being said, i don't think their tail is any good and they stalled, much like we did when Roy got out.

That isn't the scenario though. Not even close to it.

We didn't even see their tail!

Dhoni was happy taking singles when agression was needed. He didn't even swing at the ball that mathematically needed a 6 to keep them in it, just tapped it for one.

We bowled well, and we deserved to win. But Indias approach to the final 10 overs was the strangest I've ever seen.

 

[Mudball]

Can’t take anything away from Eng .. but all conversations around India and Dhoni finish..
If it was a plan to lose then it is is interesting (a bit like team order in F1)
India’s loss
1
>> Makes life difficult for Pak
>> Keeps Eng in the WC (good for TV)
>> Leaves India w 2 games to still qualify
>> they play one against WI which has already been knocked out
>> they have some rest before they meet Bangladesh within 48 hours
>> Eng destiny it’s own hand

They get much needed kicking before the semis .. win-win for all..

Finally they also go for a preferred SF opposition by choosing where they finish on the table. At current plans they are likely to play Eng or Pak in the semis.. rather than Aus

-masterstroke by Dhoni

 

[pokerjoke]

India are making sure Pakistan go out by capitulating. That’s so ridiculously bent.

I totally agree with you,even the commentators were saying they couldn’t understand it.
India just don’t play like that at the end.
Dhoni just didn’t try at all to hit out as he normally does.

 

[TheDiablo]

Can’t take anything away from Eng .. but all conversations around India and Dhoni finish..
If it was a plan to lose then it is is interesting (a bit like team order in F1)
India’s loss
1
>> Makes life difficult for Pak
India would beat Pakistan 8/9 times in 10
>> Keeps Eng in the WC (good for TV)
India would win 4-6 out of 10 against England, not sure why you wouldn't take the chance to eliminate the host and pre tournament favourite
>> Leaves India w 2 games to still qualify
They've already qualified barring a miracle
>> they play one against WI which has already been knocked out
>> they have some rest before they meet Bangladesh within 48 hours
They had that anyway?
>> Eng destiny it’s own hand
Again, bad for India

They get much needed kicking before the semis .. win-win for all..

Finally they also go for a preferred SF opposition by choosing where they finish on the table. At current plans they are likely to play Eng or Pak in the semis.. rather than Aus

They were never going to play Aus if they finished in the Top 2 anyway, so once again irrelevant. Aus are also a team they've comfortably beaten anyway.

-masterstroke by Dhoni

Weird post!

 

[Mudball]

Weird post!

less weird that Dhoni in the last 3 overs..

 

[HomerJSimpson]

England got the result but still have to beat New Zealand to be 100% certain to qualify. Batting like that and you don't see it being a problem but have we got one more so-so day left?

 

[Dan2501]

The issue is Dhoni not being capable of scoring quickly in high pressure situations anymore. He's been a poor finisher for a while in pressured run chases. India would have chased it down if they had Pant or Pandya at the end, they just didn't have the firepower to get it done. I don't believe it to be match-fixing or to do with Pakistan personally.

 

[Kellfire]

The issue is Dhoni not being capable of scoring quickly in high pressure situations anymore. He's been a poor finisher for a while in pressured run chases. India would have chased it down if they had Pant or Pandya at the end, they just didn't have the firepower to get it done. I don't believe it to be match-fixing or to do with Pakistan personally.

To not even attempt to swing his bat is unforgivable.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Kohli for me is an outstanding cricket but I just have never liked him - he seems to embody the whole “BCCI” attitude that everything must revolve around them and the IPL etc - and anytime India do lose there is always a reason beyond them just not playing well

And this once again shows it

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...undaries-helped-england-in-victory-over-india

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The boundary was the same size for both teams batting so think it's a lame point. They simply didn't seem, for whatever reason to relish the chase or seem to want to try. Were they keeping an eye on net run rate? Seemed a very strange chase

 

[Beezerk]

The boundary was the same size for both teams batting so think it's a lame point. They simply didn't seem, for whatever reason to relish the chase or seem to want to try. Were they keeping an eye on net run rate? Seemed a very strange chase

Even when England were battling i thought the Indian body language was odd, very jovial like they were treating it as a charity game. I've never seen Kohli smile so much when a team was tonking his bowlers around the park.

 

[Mudball]

Kohli for me is an outstanding cricket but I just have never liked him - he seems to embody the whole “BCCI” attitude that everything must revolve around them and the IPL etc - and anytime India do lose there is always a reason beyond them just not playing well

And this once again shows it

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...undaries-helped-england-in-victory-over-india

I thought it was lame... but you never know what goes their minds. To be fair to Kohii.. he said, they will learn and move on.. i could understand if he said something about what kind of rollers were used between innings, but boundary sizes did not really matter.

On a different note.. stumbled onto the story of Gayle on the Beebs. Always great to watch the guy bat.. never knew his background before this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48755729

 

[Kellfire]

Angelo Mathews. :O

 

[Mudball]

Well dhoni has been pathetic against Bangladesh.. would not take the singles and hogged the limelight. India look like they are 30-40 runs short. Come on Bangladesh.. make this WC interesting

 

[fundy]

Well dhoni has been pathetic against Bangladesh.. would not take the singles and hogged the limelight. India look like they are 30-40 runs short. Come on Bangladesh.. make this WC interesting

Hes been batting like this for a long time, plenty of run a ball inns when the field is out, very few destructive inns of late

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Well dhoni has been pathetic against Bangladesh.. would not take the singles and hogged the limelight. India look like they are 30-40 runs short. Come on Bangladesh.. make this WC interesting

I'd rather they lost today and beat Pakistan and give England a bit of room on net run rate in case it goes belly up against NZ

 

[fundy]

I'd rather they lost today and beat Pakistan and give England a bit of room on net run rate in case it goes belly up against NZ

Id rather we just beat NZ and stop relying on other teams to help us out!