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[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...ead-coach-gary/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

So looking like Silverwood

I wonder how much of the appointment is down to backlash from all the foreign coaches in that hundred thing

But he did a great job at Essex and seems to have done a good job with the bowling unit - certainly seems a very understated character which is imo a good thing but still think the two roles ( test and odi/t20) should be split up

 

[fundy]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...ead-coach-gary/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

So looking like Silverwood

I wonder how much of the appointment is down to backlash from all the foreign coaches in that hundred thing

But he did a great job at Essex and seems to have done a good job with the bowling unit - certainly seems a very understated character which is imo a good thing but still think the two roles ( test and odi/t20) should be split up

Sounds like Kirsten wanted too many concessions for the suits to swallow.

Be far more sensible as said so many times to split the roles so that theyre not looking for concessions!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Shame Stewart pulled out. I would have preferred him but only fair, should Silverwood get it as indicated, that he gets time and a chance. The England team will definitely have to transition in the next year or so as I can't see Anderson and Broad going on much longer (both are seemingly getting injured more regularly) and we need to find a quality spinner, ideally who can get regular runs too

 

[fundy]

Shame Stewart pulled out. I would have preferred him but only fair, should Silverwood get it as indicated, that he gets time and a chance. The England team will definitely have to transition in the next year or so as I can't see Anderson and Broad going on much longer (both are seemingly getting injured more regularly) and we need to find a quality spinner, ideally who can get regular runs too

really? why? what makes you want Stewart?

why does the spinner need to get runs?

 

[Piece]

Silverwood gets the job. Hadn't been following this too closely, wasn't a name I'd seen on the list of candidates (Stewart, Dravid, Kirsten, etc.). I'll give him a fair crack of the whip, assuming it's not another a case of jobs for the boys.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Silverwood gets the job. Hadn't been following this too closely, wasn't a name I'd seen on the list of candidates (Stewart, David, Kirsten, etc.). I'll give him a fair crack of the whip, assuming it's not another a case of jobs for the boys.

Really?

You clearly don't follow cricket as Silverwood was a strong candidate for some time.

Personally I couldn't see why Stewart was fancied by many as he has no real experience in coaching at international level.

As for Kirsten etc; their sole advantage seemed to stem from them being foreign which apparently is what is wanted by some in the game, regardless of suitability.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Really?

You clearly don't follow cricket as Silverwood was a strong candidate for some time.

Personally I couldn't see why Stewart was fancied by many as he has no real experience in coaching at international level.

As for Kirsten etc; their sole advantage seemed to stem from them being foreign which apparently is what is wanted by some in the game, regardless of suitability.

Kirsten’s sole advantage was being foreign ? So nothing to do with his track record then of which was the strongest of all the potential candidates?

He was more than suitable for the job irrelevant of his nationality and would have got it if he didn’t publically slate the 100 and also suggest the splitting of the role - Silverwood is a strong a candidate as what Moore’s was when he was given the job - there is more chance of his nationality being key to him getting the job

 

[ColchesterFC]

Have they gone for Silverwood over Kirsten because they want a "yes man" in the role? It seems as though Kirsten's stock was high until he started challenging the ECB. For the last several years it seems that they have always had a "yes man" in the role of Captain of the team with Strauss, Cook and Root all being good little boys that towed the party line.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Kirsten’s sole advantage was being foreign ? So nothing to do with his track record then of which was the strongest of all the potential candidates?

He was more than suitable for the job irrelevant of his nationality and would have got it if he didn’t publically slate the 100 and also suggest the splitting of the role - Silverwood is a strong a candidate as what Moore’s was when he was given the job - there is more chance of his nationality being key to him getting the job

Perhaps he should have shown a little more enthusiasm for the task.

I appreciate his desire for a work/life balance but even before being formally interviewed he had expressed doubts about taking the job if offered.

According to reports his presentation and interview seemed to confirm his doubts.

 

[fundy]

Perhaps he should have shown a little more enthusiasm for the task.

I appreciate his desire for a work/life balance but even before being formally interviewed he had expressed doubts about taking the job if offered.

According to reports his presentation and interview seemed to confirm his doubts.

2 ways of looking at this for me, theres also an argument he was being pragmatic and is right with his doubts and that the ECB are just flat refusing to see that the job across 3 (soon to be 4 ffs) formats is too big a role for one person and should be chopped up. Not convinced there was any particularly strong candidates in the reckoning which again made it a great time to split the roles up imo (as well as allowing clear focus on all formats rather than the current situ when there coach chooses which format is going to get most of the focus at any time)

 

[Deleted member 18588]

2 ways of looking at this for me, theres also an argument he was being pragmatic and is right with his doubts and that the ECB are just flat refusing to see that the job across 3 (soon to be 4 ffs) formats is too big a role for one person and should be chopped up. Not convinced there was any particularly strong candidates in the reckoning which again made it a great time to split the roles up imo (as well as allowing clear focus on all formats rather than the current situ when there coach chooses which format is going to get most of the focus at any time)

I agree that there is merit in splitting the coaching roles, after all we have different captains.

However, I believe Kirsten's terms made Giles doubt how committed he, Kirsten, might be to any position.

It is now six years since Kirsten had the demands of being an international coach and that was for his home country.

Since then his coaching seems to have been restricted to Big Bash and IPL franchises.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

why does the spinner need to get runs?

This with knobs on. If the spinner is good then his 15-30 runs at the end of an innings become irrelevant. Spinners are there to get wickets, tie up an end, give the captain control. Anything else is a bonus and entirely secondary.

England in particular have become too obsessed with having people do a bit of everything instead of being the best at their primary function.

 

[Tongo]

What's Kirsten said about the 100 then? I thought he was one of the coaches?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Perhaps he should have shown a little more enthusiasm for the task.

I appreciate his desire for a work/life balance but even before being formally interviewed he had expressed doubts about taking the job if offered.

According to reports his presentation and interview seemed to confirm his doubts.

Enthusiasm? Or was he being realistic and showing some metal against the ECB by suggesting that maybe some changes maybe required for the job - where as they have prob gone for the yes man who didn’t want to rock the ECB boat - it also helps having Ashley Giles in there as a big yes man as well.

Either way it’s a world away from your original point which suggested Silverwood was a strong candidate despite very limited international experience and Kirsten’s sole strong point was his nationality

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Enthusiasm? Or was he being realistic and showing some metal against the ECB by suggesting that maybe some changes maybe required for the job - where as they have prob gone for the yes man who didn’t want to rock the ECB boat - it also helps having Ashley Giles in there as a big yes man as well.

Either way it’s a world away from your original point which suggested Silverwood was a strong candidate despite very limited international experience and Kirsten’s sole strong point was his nationality

Perhaps the ECB wanted someone more in touch with the modern international game.

As for Giles being a "yes man" you really couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[ColchesterFC]

One interesting point that's been raised in the BBC Sport comments on this is that the ECB announced the squad to tour NZ and have then chosen a new head coach. Why didn't they make the decision on the coach first to allow him to have input in the squad he wanted to take to NZ? Unless this decision was taken weeks ago and Silverwood did have input into the squad but they have delayed announcing his appointment until now for some reason.

 

[Tongo]

One interesting point that's been raised in the BBC Sport comments on this is that the ECB announced the squad to tour NZ and have then chosen a new head coach. Why didn't they make the decision on the coach first to allow him to have input in the squad he wanted to take to NZ? Unless this decision was taken weeks ago and Silverwood did have input into the squad but they have delayed announcing his appointment until now for some reason.

Cos the ECB haven't got a clue.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Cos the ECB haven't got a clue.

A lot of it was down to the relentless nature of the cricket calendar.

Rightly or wrongly the ECB had made the decision that nothing would be allowed to detract from the Ashes series, including the appointment of a Bayliss' replacement.

There was only a week between the end of the Ashes and having to name the squad to tour NZ.

Hardly long enough to complete the recruitment process.

I am no fan of the ECB but, in this case, they were trapped between a rock and a hard place as many would have been unhappy about speculation over the coach's job whilst we were still trying to win a series.

 

[GB72]

A lot of it was down to the relentless nature of the cricket calendar.

Rightly or wrongly the ECB had made the decision that nothing would be allowed to detract from the Ashes series, including the appointment of a Bayliss' replacement.

There was only a week between the end of the Ashes and having to name the squad to tour NZ.

Hardly long enough to complete the recruitment process.

I am no fan of the ECB but, in this case, they were trapped between a rock and a hard place as many would have been unhappy about speculation over the coach's job whilst we were still trying to win a series.

I am really at a loss as to how players cope these days. With all of the tours, tournaments, IPL etc they are only at home for a few months a year now. That must put serious strain on anybody's family life.

 

[Piece]

Really?

You clearly don't follow cricket as Silverwood was a strong candidate for some time.

Settle down MM. . All I said he wasn't on the list(s) that I'd seen.

My posts on this thread should indicate that I do follow cricket.