Wrist Hinge

[sev112]

2. Have that thought about loading a shaft if you wish, but it's an excellent way to get an over-snatchy transition imo - something I strive to avoid - fastest way to a cast/early release for me! Loading the shaft, to me, happens from the mid to late downswing and (hopefully) continues past impact.

Noted, but I use the opposite swing thought at your transition. I don't use any of the conventional thoughts about transition, changing direction, pausing, transferring weight, counting 2..3 .., etc. All I do is try and feel the shaft starting to bend/resist/load, and the just keep that pressure from my wrists constant from that point on. Which somehow makes the club change direction and a very calm start to the downswing.
Works for me, much of the time.

Of course, the contra situation I often see at the top of backswing/transition is that players collapse their wrists, even their left elbows , build up no resistance in the shaft (therefore wondering why the club was swungbthatbfar back to start with), start a downswing and hopefully load the shaft at some point and sufficiently in the downswing to get any sort of benefit from the highly engineered shaft attached to the club.
But that is understandable, because we are not machines, and aren't particularly athletic nor strong. So I have a swing whereby I try to take those potential errors out of the swing entirely

 

[HawkeyeMS]

It is because you have to get the 6' 10" man thru the 6' 2" doorway (as above)

You can do it LESS and get the 6'10" man thru a 6' 5" doorway... but then you'd have LESS LAG.


You COULD have the 6' 10" man go thru a 6' 10" doorway but then you'd have MINIMAL LAG...... and if you shift ANY weight forwards at all you'll top the ball (or flip the club and thin it!) as your hands won't be forwards enough.

If the man is that tall, he shouldn't live in such a small house

 

[SocketRocket]

It wasn't meant to be insulting - I apologise.... I meant I had use a simple analogy (a common one) for you, and indeed for everyone. The 'waiter/tray' analogy is very common, not precise, but good enough when you're talking about cuppage in the right wrist. I didn't think I needed to be precise in this instance and decided to 'keep it simple' and was effectively keeping it simple for YOU because you didn't seem to understand. Once again, it wasn't meant to be insulting, nor is this reply

Thanks James.

 

[JustOne]

Always appreciate your input/posts SR :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

Heres another video which is in tune with my thoughts:

[video=youtube;VIummw3kkfc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIummw3kkfc[/video]

 

[Foxholer]

Noted, but I use the opposite swing thought at your transition. I don't use any of the conventional thoughts about transition, changing direction, pausing, transferring weight, counting 2..3 .., etc. All I do is try and feel the shaft starting to bend/resist/load, and the just keep that pressure from my wrists constant from that point on. Which somehow makes the club change direction and a very calm start to the downswing.
Works for me, much of the time.

Of course, the contra situation I often see at the top of backswing/transition is that players collapse their wrists, even their left elbows , build up no resistance in the shaft (therefore wondering why the club was swungbthatbfar back to start with), start a downswing and hopefully load the shaft at some point and sufficiently in the downswing to get any sort of benefit from the highly engineered shaft attached to the club.
But that is understandable, because we are not machines, and aren't particularly athletic nor strong. So I have a swing whereby I try to take those potential errors out of the swing entirely

Crikey! That's far too many thoughts for me!

As a lazy stiff old git, slightly bent (but hopefully not collapsed) elbow (and definitely not collapsed wrists) works pretty well for me! I just try to be consistent - and I know a straight left arm would help!

 

[JustOne]

I agree with all of that vid SR... apart from where he keeps saying he's 'maintaining that angle'... when he's actually increasing it!!

He's talking about the #3 power accumulator angle from MORAD (and there's tons of arguments about it on the web about how it's influenced by the other accumulators).

At address with low hands you have maybe 45 degrees of angle preset, to get it to 90 you still have to hinge a further 45 degrees... he keeps picking the club up off the ground and THEN saying maintain that angle.

 

[SocketRocket]

I agree with all of that vid SR... apart from where he keeps saying he's 'maintaining that angle'... when he's actually increasing it!!

He's talking about the #3 power accumulator angle from MORAD (and there's tons of arguments about it on the web about how it's influenced by the other accumulators).

At address with low hands you have maybe 45 degrees of angle preset, to get it to 90 you still have to hinge a further 45 degrees... he keeps picking the club up off the ground and THEN saying maintain that angle.

But why do you need to increase it to 90? Going back to my OP, I believe many of the problems club golfers experience with ball striking are attributed to making too many movements and adjustments. They are not Tour Golfers and don't have their skill to hinge and unhinge the wrists this way. For most good wrist hinge is no/very litle wrist hinge.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I have given this subject a lot of consideration over time and have come to the conclusion that trying to create hinge and lag with the wrists is a major factor to poor ball striking.
What do you think?

Way too much thinking going on What on earth is hinge and lag? I've heard of Hinge and Bracket - but not hinge and lag.

 

[SocketRocket]

Not a great fan of Michael Breed but here is another take:

[video=youtube;i2zq6td64dI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2zq6td64dI[/video]

 

[SocketRocket]

Way too much thinking going on What on earth is hinge and lag? I've heard of Hinge and Bracket - but not hinge and lag.

Dont read anymore then

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Dont read anymore then

I'm not - soon as I read golf techno-babble I press the ignore button

 

[JustOne]

But why do you need to increase it to 90? Going back to my OP, I believe many of the problems club golfers experience with ball striking are attributed to making too many movements and adjustments. They are not Tour Golfers and don't have their skill to hinge and unhinge the wrists this way. For most good wrist hinge is no/very litle wrist hinge.

Ok, there's a pic below.... he keeps talking about maintaining the angle that he has in the left pic (which I agree with) but in order to get to that position you have to get the club head off the floor (to the red line).... which means ADDING hinge from the address position shown on the right pic where the club head is on the floor..... a difference of about 30 degrees in this case .....and 45 degrees with a driver (shallower shaft plane at address than an iron).

so there's a small 'illusion' going on there.... of about 30 degrees to get to the RED line :thup:

Everything else is PUKKA!

 

[sev112]

Ok, there's a pic below.... he keeps talking about maintaining the angle that he has in the left pic (which I agree with) but in order to get to that position you have to get the club head off the floor (to the red line).... which means ADDING hinge from the address position shown on the right pic where the club head is on the floor..... a difference of about 30 degrees in this case .....and 45 degrees with a driver (shallower shaft plane at address than an iron).

so there's a small 'illusion' going on there.... of about 30 degrees to get to the RED line :thup:

Everything else is PUKKA!

... Ear he looks like he bent over at the hips ... Not necessarily the wrists in that example I'd suggest?

 

[JustOne]

... Ear he looks like he bent over at the hips ... Not necessarily the wrists in that example I'd suggest?

I knew someone would say that!!! GRRRRR....another pic on the way....

 

[JustOne]

... Ear he looks like he bent over at the hips ... Not necessarily the wrists in that example I'd suggest?

OK, this is still going to be pretty confusing.....

Turn the pic on the right so the spine angles of BOTH pics are the same (red line) and there's STILL a difference between the two sets of yellow lines... to make them the same he'd need his left arm on the BLUE LINE..... and if he moves his left arm to the blue line he has INCREASED THE HINGE

To match the spine angle I actually turned the right pic by 27 degrees... so like I said, he has about 30 degrees of hinge there that he's accidentally avoiding. I know it's complicated but I'm not the one asking the questions here, just doing my best to explain


Basically if you took that other pic on the right where he was bent over at address and visually 'stood him up' whilst maintaining all those angles his arms would be pointing OUTWARDS, not down. Make any sense?

 

[SocketRocket]

Ok, there's a pic below.... he keeps talking about maintaining the angle that he has in the left pic (which I agree with) but in order to get to that position you have to get the club head off the floor (to the red line).... which means ADDING hinge from the address position shown on the right pic where the club head is on the floor..... a difference of about 30 degrees in this case .....and 45 degrees with a driver (shallower shaft plane at address than an iron).

so there's a small 'illusion' going on there.... of about 30 degrees to get to the RED line :thup:

Everything else is PUKKA!

I think your left picture is taken out of context to what he was saying and doing in the swing.

 

[SocketRocket]

The two pictures that would matter are the clubshaft at address and at impact, the ones in the previous are random.. I don't have software to capture that.

 

[JustOne]

I think your left picture is taken out of context to what he was saying and doing in the swing.

I've just said/shown exactly what is happening. I can't do/say any more than that SR :thup:

He needs to hinge the club to 90 degrees (I think he even says the words "90 degrees" somewhere in that vid) it's NOT at 90 degrees at address....... so take it from there.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Chaps ....... you should spend more time playing golf