SwingsitlikeHogan
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I shouldn’t have to repeat myself, but dress code in the clubhouse lounges is now very relaxed.
Would you join a club that did not have a dress code?
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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My correlation is simply one that says to me that if a player respects a dress code, then I think there may be more willingness to adhere to what is asked of them in looking after and respecting the course. Simply one of respect for what is asked of you rather than just doing what you want. No evidence, just a feeling.I’m intrigued as you how you correlated that clubs with dress codes on the course means more people repair pitch marks. I’ve played many a course with strict dress codes that have a shocking amount of pitch marks. I’ve equally played more relaxed courses where there are less pitch marks and vice versa.
How someone dresses doesn’t immediately make their golfing etiquette better. But I’ve also yet to meet a golfer anywhere that would admit they don’t repair pitch marks, rake bunkers , replace divots or are slow players. Like with everything it’s always someone else never us
If you have gone from jacket and tie to standard golf wear then it has relaxed. However, there is still a dress code that you advise is sent out or advised to visitors. As a visitor to other golf clubs, that is really not a way to relax people. If you want to be very relaxed, remove the code.
Lucifer MorningStar
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So it’s just assumption then and totally unproven in fact. I’m not having a dig at you btw, I’ve heard similar elsewhere and then you step on their course and find as many pitch marks as you do elsewhere. Yet it’s often the visitor that gets the blame.
There are just as many courses with dress codes that have members that throw clubs, don’t shout fore, repair pitch marks etc as there are at any club. So I’d work along the basis that a dress code doesn’t improve golfing etiquette.
Arthur Wedge
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This myth was utterly dispelled during Covid, when the only people allowed on courses were members. Pitch marks and divots didn't suddenly disappear.
I believe the phrase is an oxymoron
There are obviously scales of relaxed, but ultimately, any dress code is a restriction and so not relaxed.
Arthur Wedge
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Members will always blame visitors for pitch marks - yet we seem to find a lot of them on a Friday afternoon
For me there are two types
Those that can’t see the pitch mark
And those that won’t see the pitch mark
For me there are two types
Those that can’t see the pitch mark
And those that won’t see the pitch mark
Arthur Wedge
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Well guess if it’s all to be taken literally
Can there be relaxed rules ? Or are all rules called as strict
PaulMdj
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D-S
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Apart from the hat thing obviously.
That's where we go back to my point about being a scale. Some are more relaxed than other.
What some people define as relaxed is very different to what others see though. If a club insists on a jacket and tie after 7pm, but has a more casual bar that has strict rules but no jacket and tie, then that club will see that as relaxed. Most others would see it as anything but. It's what your preception of strict and relaxed is.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
That’s not my point. My point is simply one around respect of others and rules. I try and be respectful to others and what is asked of me outside of golf, I am willing to respect and adhere to a dress code in any establishment I go to, and if that establishment is a golf club then I will respect their dress code and carry that respect onto the course.
I agree. That said it might dissuade from playing those who disagree with a dress code and are not willing to respect what a club asks of them - and that would include respecting what a club asks in respect of on-course etiquette.
But my thinking on the matter is not a hill I’ll choose to die on.
Lucifer MorningStar
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And yet the dress code makes them more likely to repair them
Both these posts prove there is no correlation between how a person dresses and their golfing etiquette. If anything shows a sense of entitlement that members will ignore them and justify their own actions through lying that they’re the type that always repair pitch marks. Yet will blame outsiders because it’s never their own fault.
This is not a dig at anyone as equally I am member of a club so can be just as guilty. Though I do acknowledge it’s not usually the outsider that’s the issue but those of us within the clubs that are.
Hat superpowers once donned Pitch marks don’t existThey did on courses were hats were banned in the Clubhouse.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Obviously.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
Without trying to be that guy. That’s literally what your point inferred, that those with dress codes are likely to have less pitch marks and better etiquette which simply isn’t quantifiable. Anyway back to dress codes.
Bagger Vance
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Some people don’t seem to understand the difference between relaxed dress code and no dress code. Allowing jeans, tee shirts and sandals in the bar is relaxed and welcoming. Allowing football tops and caps in the bar is Wetherspoons.
Lucifer MorningStar
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Ok you almost had a valid then you mentioned sandals! Any adult wearing those with socks anywhere at all should be taken aside and had a word with.
D-S
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Some of the most obvious missed pitch marks and unrepaired bunkers I have seen have been at fairly well to do clubs, my assumption is that such repairs is seen as beyond the remit of the entitled members and something that the staff do.
If you play at really well to do courses groups have forecaddies who rake bunkers, replace divots and repair pitch marks for you - they are the truly pristine courses.
If you play at really well to do courses groups have forecaddies who rake bunkers, replace divots and repair pitch marks for you - they are the truly pristine courses.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Absolutely…was going to post very similar - including ‘football’ shorts.
