World Cup

[Deleted member 15344]

I bet he does. No keeper wants to be pulled off unless injured. To me it sends out a message (as both 5live and ITV commentators also mentioned) that we don't trust you. Hardly great for confidence.

Yet there was the keeper on the sidelines roaring on his fellow keeper - it appears he recognised it's a team game and the decision was made for the team. The keeper knew it could happen and didn't appear to effect him during the game.

He will be right back into the team on Wed - there is no doubt he is number 1 hence why he starts every match

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Yet there was the keeper on the sidelines roaring on his fellow keeper - it appears he recognised it's a team game and the decision was made for the team. The keeper knew it could happen and didn't appear to effect him during the game.

He will be right back into the team on Wed - there is no doubt he is number 1 hence why he starts every match

Clearly you'll argue this point ad infinitum so I'm out. You obviously disagree with all the radio and TV pundits and of course he'll cheer the keeper on but inside you can be sure he's far from happy. I'm done

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Clearly you'll argue this point ad infinitum so I'm out. You obviously disagree with all the radio and TV pundits and of course he'll cheer the keeper on but inside you can be sure he's far from happy. I'm done

Irrelevant what the radio and TV pundits say and you can't be sure of anything unless the person himself has told you so

The keeper knew before the match that if it went to penalties that he would be subbed yet it didn't effect him one single bit and he knows that he will be straight back into the team - he knows he is number one and has been told he is number - :thup:

 

[Papas1982]

Irrelevant what the radio and TV pundits say and you can't be sure of anything unless the person himself has told you so

The keeper knew before the match that if it went to penalties that he would be subbed yet it didn't effect him one single bit and he knows that he will be straight back into the team - he knows he is number one and has been told he is number - :thup:

he he didn't know tbf. Krul knew he was coming on, but van gaal hadn't informed Cillessen. As he didn't want it playing on his mind.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The keeper knew before the match that if it went to penalties that he would be subbed yet it didn't effect him one single bit and he knows that he will be straight back into the team - he knows he is number one and has been told he is number - :thup:

The keeper wasn't told before hand so that's erroneous. Been in the papers this morning saying as much. I'm not biting anymore.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

he he didn't know tbf. Krul knew he was coming on, but van gaal hadn't informed Cillessen. As he didn't want it playing on his mind.

That's different from what they said this morning on 5Live in the interview - either way he didn't look too bothered one single bit when it's for the good of the team - the questions would have been slightly different if it hadn't worked out very well. I can fully understand the managers reasons behind the swap - very risky move no doubt but effecting a players confidence ? Right now I recon the player is on club 9 helping his team into the semi final and one game away from the final knowing he is number one.

It is a team game after all

 

[Papas1982]

The keeper wasn't told before hand so that's erroneous. Been in the papers this morning saying as much. I'm not biting anymore.

Whilst i tend to agree that most players aren't usually happy with being subbed. I would imagine getting through will have been more important too him. Also, for all the speculation, whats to say that the keeper himself doesnt fancy pen shoot outs, like when a striker will let a cb be in the top 5?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The keeper wasn't told before hand so that's erroneous. Been in the papers this morning saying as much. I'm not biting anymore.

Homer it's nothing to do with biting it's called having a chat and a debate and I have no idea why you keep overreacting anytime someone disagrees with something you say or offers a different opinion. If you don't want to be involved then don't reply.

 

[Slime]

I have to admit that I think it was a brilliant substitution when it could have gone so badly wrong ....................... but it didn't!
I can't imagine Cillessen feeling anything other than pure jubilation.
Krul has given Cillessen a World Cup semi-final to play in, and seeing his reaction after the game, I'm sure he's more than happy about being subbed.
I'm also sure that if the semi-final goes to penalties he'd be perfectly okay with being subbed again in favour of Holland's 'special team' goalie.
I know I would be!


Slime.

 

[Papas1982]

That's different from what they said this morning on 5Live in the interview - either way he didn't look too bothered one single bit when it's for the good of the team - the questions would have been slightly different if it hadn't worked out very well. I can fully understand the managers reasons behind the swap - very risky move no doubt but effecting a players confidence ? Right now I recon the player is on club 9 helping his team into the semi final and one game away from the final knowing he is number one.

It is a team game after all

I can't seem to find the 5 live reports. But bbc have it clearly saying that only Krul knew, he does say "we" decided i presume referring to management team, so easy to see how different reposrts are made. Personally i don't think Cilliessen knew, as i'm sure it would have effected him.

I agree and see nothing wrong with subbing the keepers. Re kruls actions, i say fair play to him. Plenty of keepers and opposing players have done similar things in the past.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I can't seem to find the 5 live reports. But bbc have it clearly saying that only Krul knew, he does say "we" decided i presume referring to management team, so easy to see how different reposrts are made. Personally i don't think Cilliessen knew, as i'm sure it would have effected him.

I agree and see nothing wrong with subbing the keepers. Re kruls actions, i say fair play to him. Plenty of keepers and opposing players have done similar things in the past.

Think Krul should have been booked - sorry but that's the sort of thing you see in the boxing ring etc

 

[Papas1982]

Think Krul should have been booked - sorry but that's the sort of thing you see in the boxing ring etc

Lots of players and keepers do it during penalties in normal time though. Try and put people off, just likely stopping during a run up was at one point apparently banned as it gained an advantage, or keepers staying on their lines. If england won a shoot out with it i'd be chuffed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Lots of players and keepers do it during penalties in normal time though. Try and put people off, just likely stopping during a run up was at one point apparently banned as it gained an advantage, or keepers staying on their lines. If england won a shoot out with it i'd be chuffed.

And they should also be carded for it - Krul went too far last night to the point of showing disrespect towards the other players - nearly going into the players faces and all his gesturing. Just a step too far.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If it's such a great thing why aren't other teams subbing the keeper for shoot outs? It seems a very strange and risky strategy and what's to say the #1 wouldn't have made the saves anyway. If I was in goal, I'd want to be involved in the shoot out. As a keeper you can only emerge as a hero anyway.

 

[Papas1982]

And they should also be carded for it - Krul went too far last night to the point of showing disrespect towards the other players - nearly going into the players faces and all his gesturing. Just a step too far.

In your opinion of course.

I can see why its annoyed people. But for me its gamesmanhip. No worse than time wasting which is penalised far less than it should be. IMO

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If it's such a great thing why aren't other teams subbing the keeper for shoot outs? It seems a very strange and risky strategy and what's to say the #1 wouldn't have made the saves anyway. If I was in goal, I'd want to be involved in the shoot out. As a keeper you can only emerge as a hero anyway.

Maybe because other teams have their best keeper for penalties on the pitch already.

If I was in goal I would look to see what is best for the team as opposed to personal glory

 

[Papas1982]

If it's such a great thing why aren't other teams subbing the keeper for shoot outs? It seems a very strange and risky strategy and what's to say the #1 wouldn't have made the saves anyway. If I was in goal, I'd want to be involved in the shoot out. As a keeper you can only emerge as a hero anyway.

How long ago was it that all teams thought you had to play with 2 strikers? Now some don't use any? Whilst i don't expect this to be the norm, i don't see anything wrong with it. Say RVP was a bad pen taker, would you object to bringing on a different player to take one?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It's only chat if you accept other peoples opinion. Having played in goal to a decent standard most keepers would have belief in their own ability. If it was best for the team, why not have a specialised keeper trained for penalties and bring them on. It doesn't happen as penalties are a lottery and while keepers can do their homework on where a player will place them, there's no guarantee they will. If I was the so called #1 I'd want the manager to trust me to do my job

 

[Papas1982]

It's only chat if you accept other peoples opinion. Having played in goal to a decent standard most keepers would have belief in their own ability. If it was best for the team, why not have a specialised keeper trained for penalties and bring them on. It doesn't happen as penalties are a lottery and while keepers can do their homework on where a player will place them, there's no guarantee they will. If I was the so called #1 I'd want the manager to trust me to do my job

He did his job, he job was clean sheet during the game. You ask to have your opinion respected Homer, but seem to refuse that some keepers could be better and certain aspects. Van Gaal himself said that krul was simply bigger and could cover more of the goal.

If your a teams man scorer should you also be their pen taker even if you're useless at them? Just because you score the most goals from open play?

I'll leave the subject now matey as don't wanna argue but whilst i can agree he may not have been chuffed with being subbed. He now has a semi to play in which is the more impiortant thing for himi would expect.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's only chat if you accept other peoples opinion. Having played in goal to a decent standard most keepers would have belief in their own ability. If it was best for the team, why not have a specialised keeper trained for penalties and bring them on. It doesn't happen as penalties are a lottery and while keepers can do their homework on where a player will place them, there's no guarantee they will. If I was the so called #1 I'd want the manager to trust me to do my job

When did I say I don't accept your opinion ? I'm just countering it that's all

Doesn't matter what standard you played too - that doesn't mean it always has to be one way.

I'm sure every single player would do what is best for the team - if bringing on a keeper who was better than you at saving penalties and helped your team win ( which is exactly what happened ) then I'm sure everyone will be extremely happy - right now the player is the number one keeper and right now his team is in the semi final because he managed made a call - a call I'm going to guess that the player is extremely happy about because I'm guessing he just cares about the team and not his own personal glory.

Van Gaal made a change and it worked - as risky as it was his team won the shoot out and everyone is happy. I can't see any complaints from the keepers - they are there to do what's best for the team surely ?