World Cup Russia 2018

[Beezerk]

Fair shout on Shelvey - he is another that can add a very good long passing range , and should be in the squad - Wilshire and Shelvey are both far from the answer but right now until some of the better young ones come through they are as close as England can get.

Long passing game? Are we back in the 80s again lol. There’s no space in international football now, successful long passes are as rare as hens teeth. Wilshire tries the miracle ball far too often which is one of his downfalls, Shelvey is just a big fish in a small pond, has never cut it in a decent quality team.

 

[Orikoru]

I think Wilshere and Shelvey are not there because Southgate has no intention of playing possession football. He doesn't want or need a midfield playmaker, he's selected a squad of physical players with pace to win the ball and bomb forward. Somewhat like the Liverpool model maybe, they don't really have a midfield playmaker either, it's just a case of sitting, winning the ball, and bombing forward on the counter.

I still would have had Lallana in the squad in case we struggle to break down Tunisia or Panama in the groups, and need a different approach.

 

[Beezerk]

In fact I’d say it shows how bad English football is that those two are even being discussed.

 

[Orikoru]

In fact I’d say it shows how bad English football is that those two are even being discussed.

Shelvey is vastly overrated in my opinion. He's a good MOTD highlights player. If you see how many times he fires a 50 yard ball out of play in a game though - plus he's a thick as they come, there's no brain in his head. Similar to Barkley, some ability but no thought process going on whatsoever.

Wilshere as well has never fulfilled whatever potential he had. He's never played enough football unfortunately. He can knock a ball around a bit but very undisciplined. We won't miss either of them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Long passing game? Are we back in the 80s again lol. There’s no space in international football now, successful long passes are as rare as hens teeth. Wilshire tries the miracle ball far too often which is one of his downfalls, Shelvey is just a big fish in a small pond, has never cut it in a decent quality team.

Southgate picks a team full of pace looking to punish teams on the break - guess what’s a key element to that , someone with the ability to swing a ball over the top onto a Vardy or a Sterling breaking through

Plenty of space in international football if a team can exploite it well

Think Southgate had a chance to try something new - think he has missed out on doing that and going for safety

 

[Slime]

You're suggesting smalling deserves a place based on UTDs defensive record. I’m saying that I would say they have that record for a number of reasons, Mourinho’s tactics and De Geas brilliance being the main two, and that smallings ability (lack of) has little to do with it.

He's still a better player than Cahill and playing far more regularly too.

Personally I rather hope no Liverpool players play any games. I don’t wont them risking injury or not getting the end of season rest all players need.

You're not an England supporter, then?

Ashley Young should be nailed on for the LWB spot - streets ahead of Danny Rose this year.

Totally agree with the above.

 

[Beezerk]

Southgate picks a team full of pace looking to punish teams on the break - guess what’s a key element to that , someone with the ability to swing a ball over the top onto a Vardy or a Sterling breaking through

Plenty of space in international football if a team can exploite it well

Think Southgate had a chance to try something new - think he has missed out on doing that and going for safety

As a supposed football expert, you don't half talk some guff at times 😂

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Tunisia and Panama will sit deep and let us come onto them. There is going to be naff all space and the game will be played at a snails pace. The match will be full of short, sideways passes. Unless we score early and force the opposition to come out at us we always tend to struggle against those types of teams. If only Silva or De Bruyne were English.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

You're not an England supporter, then?
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Yes I am, but I’m fed up with successive England managers picking their best buddies or playing players out of position, as well as the lack of acceptance that as a National team we are no-where near as good as many think we are.
I also can’t stand the behaviour of English fans abroad and the bad impression they give every other country of us as a nation.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Remember the days when we were arguing and disappointed that Gazza had been left out of a World Cup Squad?

Now it's Shelvey, Smalling and Wilshere......

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God we'll be as bad as Scotland soon......!! 😉😂😂😂

 

[Orikoru]

Remember the days when we were arguing and disappointed that Gazza had been left out of a World Cup Squad?

Now it's Shelvey, Smalling and Wilshere......

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God we'll be as bad as Scotland soon......!! 

I'm not disappointed any of those three are out of the squad.

 

[drewster]

I'm not disappointed any of those three are out of the squad.

Neither am I , the only one I am disappointed about actually being in the squad is Welbeck. Swap him for Lallana and it would be A1. I'm very intrigued by Loftus-Cheek, I think he could be the "joker in the pack" and given the opportunity could do all the things Wilshere, Shelvey can and potentially more.

 

[IanM]

Remember the days when we were arguing and disappointed that Gazza had been left out of a World Cup Squad?

Now it's Shelvey, Smalling and Wilshere......

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God we'll be as bad as Scotland soon......!! ��������

But Gazza was out "crocked" and those above were "just not selected!" So still slightly less bad than our Scots Buddies...

 

[MadAdey]

It all comes down to one thing with the England team, we really do not have any top players nowadays to even consider going much further than qualifying from the group phase. I always look at it like this............. if you had to pick 2 18 man squads to have an all star game, which England players would get a look in. I would say Kane and Walker would get in, but you wouldn't even consider anyone else.

But it is nice to see that he has picked some kids to go as it will give them valuable experience. Alexander-Arnold, Loftus-Cheek, Lingard and Rashford are the future of English football. They are regular players in Premier League teams, so people can't say they are not ready or experienced enough to be in the Squad. Too often in the past England managers have frustrated me by not taking some of the kids to these tournaments and waiting until they have come of age to give them the opportunity.

 

[Piece]

Jack Wilshere in the press this morning barking that he was fit, strong and should be on the plane to Russia.

Playing well for 45 mins over a couple of seasons doesn't earn you a spot on the plane.

 

[Beezerk]

Jack Wilshere in the press this morning barking that he was fit, strong and should be on the plane to Russia.

Playing well for 45 mins over a couple of seasons doesn't earn you a spot on the plane.

It’s him all over, a belligerent little shiister. I didn’t realise he want only 26.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

#delusional

 

[Orikoru]

It’s him all over, a belligerent little shiister. I didn’t realise he want only 26.

Wilshere needs to grow up. You say he's 'only 26' but he still acts like he's 18. He needs to realise he's basically a mediocre bag of wasted potential at this point, knuckle down and work harder. He seems to think he should walk into the Arsenal and England teams based on essentially nothing.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Wilshere needs to grow up. You say he's 'only 26' but he still acts like he's 18. He needs to realise he's basically a mediocre bag of wasted potential at this point, knuckle down and work harder. He seems to think he should walk into the Arsenal and England teams based on essentially nothing.

His spell at Bournemouth highlighted this. Out of his comfort zone where he was no longer worshipped and could not hold down a place.

There is a good player in there but he needs to stop being an arrogant, angry man and get his head down. I suspect a move away from Arsenal would do him some good.

 

[Orikoru]

His spell at Bournemouth highlighted this. Out of his comfort zone where he was no longer worshipped and could not hold down a place.

There is a good player in there but he needs to stop being an arrogant, angry man and get his head down. I suspect a move away from Arsenal would do him some good.

Agree with that. I doubt the new manager would show him as much loyalty and patience as Wenger has. Wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the first out the door. (Then again if it's Arteta as manager I'm not sure I can see him being any more ruthless than Wenger was. )