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Not sure what how many games they are into the season really has to do with it, as the Wales game shows. Most have played a bit of football before.
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That's fine,I just wanted to know from the experts who this "right man for the job" is.
It's ok to keep saying it,but who is this worldie manager that the FA should have appointed?
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Mark Sampson - damn another Taff.
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He has to be given time to see what players will suit the systems he wants to play and he's had virtually no chance of seeing how these players are performing, he's learning all the time, Wales have got continuity and Coleman was on the verge of quitting after he became the first Welsh manager to lose his first 5 games.
They also lost to England so don't really get your point about Wales as an example, if you mean they are 3-0 up tonight, they are at home to a team ranked 165 in the world some 150 places below them.
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My point is that Wales have performed way above their station using on the whole football journeymen. England didn't seem to have a plan to deal with 10 men in a team ranked 11 places below them. Unfortunately the manager picks the team which will always mean that the fans blame the manager. How many games do you feel is a reasonable number before he is judged even though he continues to pick the same team as those who failed before.
The FA with the last couple of England managers stated that they were putting in younger No's 2 so that they would be in a position to provided continuity and step in as mangers then go off on a completely different tangent.
The FA with the last couple of England managers stated that they were putting in younger No's 2 so that they would be in a position to provided continuity and step in as mangers then go off on a completely different tangent.
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Shocking penalty decisions in Scotland , Wales & Ireland games , whats going on with referees
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Wales have done superb, but it took time for Coleman to get the right blend of ability, attitude and the motivation for the players to buy into it.
Sam might be the best or worst manager we've had, he'll be judged on how England perform in Major Tournaments, we supposedly beat the next hardest team in our group so if we believe the hype we won't really be able to judge him until Russia 2018.
I would suggest that if both Wales and England both qualify for Russia, Coleman will get more credit than Sam despite Wales being ahead of us in the rankings.
sawtooth
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I would have liked to have seen Hoddle given another chance but Allardyce might be the man we just don't know yet.
It's interesting that some people think it's all the managers fault and some people blame the standard of players. It's probably a bit of both. Certainly our players aren't as good as we think they are. We've been bang average for 50 years and we are falling further behind it seems.
If it wasn't for the home grown rule how many English players would we have in the EPL then? Even fewer than we have today.
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Coleman was very close to walking away from Wales as he did t think he was good enough but found a way, found the squad he wanted and who bought into his ideas. I haven't had the same feeling of that with England since Venables.
This Rooney thing is a case in point and he's clearly not following team orders and the managers playing style and using being captain to hide behind. Of course Sam is being the perfect England PR manager saying he doesn't have a problem but if it was me, behind closed doors I'd be making Rooney very clear that if he doesn't toe the line, there's no place guaranteed captain or not. Get England playing with a game plan and hopefully it will get better
This Rooney thing is a case in point and he's clearly not following team orders and the managers playing style and using being captain to hide behind. Of course Sam is being the perfect England PR manager saying he doesn't have a problem but if it was me, behind closed doors I'd be making Rooney very clear that if he doesn't toe the line, there's no place guaranteed captain or not. Get England playing with a game plan and hopefully it will get better
sawtooth
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I think It must be some man managemnt guff as well. I can't believe Allardyce is happy with Rooney dictating to him where and how he is going to play.
Unless Allardyce is scared all of a sudden of upsetting his players? It would be a first but then again he hasn't managed England before. I prefer to think that Rooney and others will be getting the hairdryer treatment or simply dropped if they fall out of line.
In any case saying publicly I can't tell Rooney where to play' was a bit silly and has done him no favours it seems.
Again will have to wait to see how things go maybe Allardyce is a genius when we look back at this in years to come?
Hacker Khan
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I am continually amazed by the succession of England managers who seem to be in awe of Rooney and give him such an easy ride. He was good in one major tournament for us over 10 years ago and since then he has been average at best for England. To me he is a squad player, if he's playing well then yes he can be a great addition to the team. But if he is not then please don't try and accommodate him in midfield where he causes the team to be unbalanced and then tell us he bossed the midfield Sam. As he didn't, we all saw that with our eyes.
Whilst he's not the player he once was, and I'm not sure that player was a great.
He he is still our leading scorer, as we as the player who tends to score most of our goals qualifying. Whilst he may not be a midfielder. His absence up front is clear to see. We've looked toothless with all our apparent superstars up front.
Hacker Khan
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Yes I know he is the leading goal scorer but he never does it when it matters in major finals. The attackers can only score if they have good service and a coherent structure behind them to supply them with the chances. And having someone who seems to roam where he likes, often dropping further and further back as a luxury player, occasionally trying the Hollywood pass which look great when they work but not so good when they do not and we give up possession, to me isn't the way to create chances.
Cruising through qualifying and then performing poorly at major tournaments when we play any half decent team, instead of the cannon fodder we get due to the fixed seeding process in qualfiying, is getting a bit boring. And the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
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I belive it's the definition of insanity 😀
Didnt pirlo play the same role you describe of Rooney? And NO I'm not comparing em lol.
I think Roo eye has always been the easy target. Our 4 games at the euros were effectively fa cup third round ties. We all know how tough they are. In all of them we missed sitters early doors. If they have gone in then things likely would have been different. Rooney hasn't performed at tournaments, can't argue with that, but I genuinely can't r,ember him missing the sitters the Kane, sterling, Vardy and sturridge did.
Think this his qualifiers will show us if someone is ready to step up. I still think it'll be Rashford. He just seems fearless, Vardy needs to be playing on the counter, sturridge can't be built around and Kane seems to have suffered from the fallout of Spurs collapse last season.
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The problem I see is that England will set up not too lose rather than to go all out for a win. Could make for some boring stuff.
I know it's only one game in but he plays Henderson and Dier and leaves Wilshere and Barclay out of the squad. We need a bit more creativity in midfield but not sure Rooney is the answer. One striker upfront as well even when Slovakia went down to 10 men. Its not like we were playing Germany or Spain.
Think we need to be a bit more adventurous and hopefully that will come.
I know it's only one game in but he plays Henderson and Dier and leaves Wilshere and Barclay out of the squad. We need a bit more creativity in midfield but not sure Rooney is the answer. One striker upfront as well even when Slovakia went down to 10 men. Its not like we were playing Germany or Spain.
Think we need to be a bit more adventurous and hopefully that will come.
I think Barkely will get his chance. Allardyce isn't afraid to play ball players. I think 4 days of having the players together he had to just get the job done. I wouldn't have wilshere anywhere near the team unless he plays 25 games minimum for bmouth. No point getting all excited about a game plan involving him once in a while.
Nothing wrong with dier either, most successful (trophy winners) have a ball winner.
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It doesn't matter who steps up if we don't create the chances for them, I laugh when people criticize Rooney (not aimed at you) for not turning up at tournaments, I always thought there was another 10 English players along side him who also failed to turn up.
As someone put, it's like we go out not to concede rather than go out to win.
The problem is that Rooney teased us all those years ago. He showed that he could take a tournament by the scruff and be a star. Unfortunately that has never been repeated. Other top players have gone to tournaments and done well, even in poor teams, but Rooney has not done it since that very first one. Had he been ordinary he would not be commented upon but he showed promise of being world class and we all hoped it would continue. Unfortunately it didn't happen.
Hacker Khan
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There are, and their position should also be questioned. And not be allowed a seemingly roaming role to wander around the pitch at their leisure, disrupting the structure of the team on the off chance they recreate some magic they showed over a decade ago at international level.
yes but Rooney hasn't only shown promise a decade ago. Granted he hasn't lit other tournaments up. But if in recent times we'd no even picked him for qualifying, we may very well have not got there in the first place.
Being allowed we'd to roam is down to the manager to stop. But, as commented earlier, when the midfield lacks creativity, for England and man Utd he goes I search of the ball.
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