WHS doesn't work

[Deleted member 30522]

Could there also be an element of fact that there are more higher handicap players playing in comps, which in turn leads to a higher probability that a score would be turned in.

as others have said, I haven’t seen it at my own course. unless it was very early in the year and temporary greens were in play which basically meant there is no trouble around any ‘green’ and you could putt from 50 yards away. Non-qualifiers though, so wouldn’t affect handicap in any way

No, the probabilty is factored into this stats. It was the main reason low handicaps used to complain about UHS, but ststistically they were wrong. Now under WHS though they are correct

 

[clubchamp98]

No, the probabilty is factored into this stats. It was the main reason low handicaps used to complain about UHS, but ststistically they were wrong. Now under WHS though they are correct

Spot on.
But the powers that be had a chance to sort this out once and for all, but have made a complete hash of it imo.
Why do we need a World system in the first place.

 

[Swango1980]

Spot on.
But the powers that be had a chance to sort this out once and for all, but have made a complete hash of it imo.
Why do we need a World system in the first place.

I guess it is because pre WHS, golfers were discouraged from playing abroad. Now most golfers are jetting all round the world to play golf with their portable Index , growing the game....

 

[rulefan]

Spot on.
But the powers that be had a chance to sort this out once and for all, but have made a complete hash of it imo.
Why do we need a World system in the first place.

We have world rules. Why not the rest of the game?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Wee set of factoids from medal today. Lovely sunny day with not much wind. 124 played; won by a 9 hcapper; 14 played to handicap or better; 6 of first 14 were SF hcappers. I‘m not seeing too many WHS issues at my place.

 

[IanM]

I‘m not seeing too many WHS issues at my place.

I don't think most well run clubs with stable memberships are...even if a few local rules need bringing in to ensure it!

 

[upsidedown]

Wee set of factoids from medal today. Lovely sunny day with not much wind. 124 played; won by a 9 hcapper; 14 played to handicap or better; 6 of first 14 were SF hcappers. I‘m not seeing too many WHS issues at my place.

Pretty much same at ours today also, 96 in extra medal with player off 1 winning with a level par round , 6 of top 10 single figures with 10, 10 13 and 23 the rest

 

[clubchamp98]

We have world rules. Why not the rest of the game?

Let’s be honest how many of us are going to play competition golf in another country.
A handful at most.
But they imposed this crap system on the whole golfing community.
They havnt even squared the circle and took any advantage out of it, skewing it from low to high.

 

[rulefan]

Let’s be honest how many of us are going to play competition golf in another country.
A handful at most.
But they imposed this crap system on the whole golfing community.
They havnt even squared the circle and took any advantage out of it, skewing it from low to high.

About 150 or more from my club venture to Spain, Portugal, Florida, Turkey every year.
We haven't seen any of the low to high skewing you have described.

 

[wjemather]

Let’s be honest how many of us are going to play competition golf in another country.
A handful at most.
But they imposed this crap system on the whole golfing community.
They havnt even squared the circle and took any advantage out of it, skewing it from low to high.

Competition golf is not is not the only golf where there is a need/desire for equivalent directly comparable handicaps, and countless people travel abroad to play golf each year and use their handicap.

As for competition golf... at our club, we have members who also hold memberships in the US, Australia, Spain, Portugal, etc. and play comps while there; every year, over 20 members play a comp in Portugal with/against locals and ex-pats (which was never a fair contest before WHS). I'm certain we are not particularly unusual in either regard.

Most importantly though, the evidence overwhelmingly supports WHS as being the most equitable handicap system we have ever had. That alone makes it pretty good. Is it perfect? No, but then a perfect handicap system does not exist (and likely never will).

 

[clubchamp98]

Competition golf is not is not the only golf where there is a need/desire for equivalent directly comparable handicaps, and countless people travel abroad to play golf each year and use their handicap.

As for competition golf... at our club, we have members who also hold memberships in the US, Australia, Spain, Portugal, etc. and play comps while there; every year, over 20 members play a comp in Portugal with/against locals and ex-pats (which was never a fair contest before WHS). I'm certain we are not particularly unusual in either regard.

Most importantly though, the evidence overwhelmingly supports WHS as being the most equitable handicap system we have ever had. That alone makes it pretty good. Is it perfect? No, but then a perfect handicap system does not exist (and likely never will).

Totally agree it never will.
If their members in another country they can revert to the local system.
What did they do before WHS ?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

About 150 or more from my club venture to Spain, Portugal, Florida, Turkey every year.
We haven't seen any of the low to high skewing you have described.

And play amongst themselves, so what need was there for a "world" system? And, tbf, that is a huge number, not even double digits at my club. We've not had a single overseas GP score posted in two years now

 

[rulefan]

And play amongst themselves,

A fair proportion have second homes and/or have dual membership. Many of those that haven't play in local competitions but now with the 'correct' handicap.

 

[wjemather]

For people who move around, being able to take their handicap with them is huge. Their handicap now reflects how they've been playing recently rather than reverting to many months previous; and better yet, new members who would previously have had to submit scores for a new handicap simply bring their handicap with them.

 

[Swango1980]

For people who move around, being able to take their handicap with them is huge. Their handicap now reflects how they've been playing recently rather than reverting to many months previous; and better yet, new members who would previously have had to submit scores for a new handicap simply bring their handicap with them.

And better yet, if they have a high handicap, makes them favourites to smash the 50 points barrier

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Asked a week ago our Golf Manager told me that historically at my place about 10% of players play under handicap in a comp, and that he has not seen that change under WHS.

Yesterday in medal with conditions good but rough relatively difficult, of 124 playing only 10 played under their CH - all but three were Div 1 (CH<15). The winner off 9, scored 5 under and is now off 8.

 

[wjemather]

And better yet, if they have a high handicap, makes them favourites to smash the 50 points barrier

That scenario is extremely unlikely under WHS, but was a real possibility before - e.g. a 28 handicapper spends six months away, during which time their overseas handicap comes down to 12; they then return and their handicap is still 28.

 

[clubchamp98]

That scenario is extremely unlikely under WHS, but was a real possibility before - e.g. a 28 handicapper spends six months away, during which time their overseas handicap comes down to 12; they then return and their handicap is still 28.

Didn’t you just declare your lowest handicap if you were a member of two clubs.?
That would sort that problem out,

A travelling handicap can really be a problem.
Going from the UK to playing on Bermuda grass in Florida is bad enough for top professionals never mind us mere mortals.

 

[wjemather]

Didn’t you just declare your lowest handicap if you were a member of two clubs.?
That would sort that problem out,

A travelling handicap can really be a problem.
Going from the UK to playing on Bermuda grass in Florida is bad enough for top professionals never mind us mere mortals.

No, because the systems were not directly comparable. CONGU decisions contained (very rough) methodology for comparison of EGA handicaps such that "a general play adjustment may be considered"; it was even more vague with respect to other handicap systems.

Handicap golfers have more to worry about than the type of grass. This is a non-problem.

 

[clubchamp98]

No, because the systems were not directly comparable. CONGU decisions contained (very rough) methodology for comparison of EGA handicaps such that "a general play adjustment may be considered"; it was even more vague with respect to other handicap systems.

Handicap golfers have more to worry about than the type of grass. This is a non-problem.

Not to sure about the grass.
I have played Bermuda and it takes some getting used to.