Who is the better golfer?

Using offset clubs are usually associated with higher handicappers and those with pretty bad flaws in their swings. If Mr A can hit a 2 iron, he cant be doing much wrong there and perhaps needs a putting lesson.

Mr B needs a toe up the bum and sort his game out.
 
Whilst having the same handicap would suggest they are the same, I believe the answer is simple- Golfer A. If he can hit a 2 iron reasonably well then he must have a decent swing. Golfer B needs all the help he can get, so it is unlikely that if he had to use the clubs Golfer A was using he would still be playing to a 10 handicap standard
 
murphthemog said:
Following on from the talent thread:

Two golfers, both playing off a 10 handicap.

Player A plays with a tour model driver with a 440cc head, in a traditional shape. He has a set of blades, 2 to sw, and a bladed putter. He has a nice looking swing that is the product of coaching and hard work on the practice ground.

Player B has a 460cc offset square headed driver, 3 hybrids, a set of offset irons with massive perimeter weighting in 5 to sw, a chipper, and a putter that wouldn't look out of place on Star Trek. He has never had lessons, does not practice, and has a swing that looks like an octopus falling out of a tree.

Which is the better golfer?
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You answered your own question, they are the same as they both play off of 10.
 
boosh said:
They are both the same being off 10. Doesn't matter who has the nicest clubs, they play to the same h'cap.
player A is only handicapping himself by using the gear he does, I know this because I have had similar set ups for the last 3 year's. Yeah your bag looks great, people admire it and so on, but end of the day the whole point of the game is to shoot the lowest score possible. And A being off 10 using the gear he does he's only limiting himself. Look at it this way, who would you rather play for money ? A or B ? Me being off the same handicap as these two I'd pick A all day long.
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Says the guy with Taylormade MB in his sig :rofl:
 
I don't think Player A just because he uses more advanced kit at all. I have played off 8-10 for years and have used blades for a number of them. I have however used more "game improvement" clubs also at times and have not gotten any lower with them, so just because someone uses more forgivness does not automatically imply that they actually need it.

I would say if you are good enough to get to 10 (which is a healthy level) with cavity backs, the transition to blades wouldn't make a HUUUUGGE difference, just as much as player A switching to cavitys would be unlikely to make him noticeably better.
 
With both having a handicap of 10, neither is a better golfer than the other. If the handicaps were each 20 or scratch the same would apply.

You could argue that if player A tried out some GI clubs his h/cap might come down but the same could be said of player B if he had lessons and practiced.
 
murphthemog said:


Player A plays with a tour model driver with a 440cc head, in a traditional shape. He has a set of blades, 2 to sw, and a bladed putter. He has a nice looking swing that is the product of coaching and hard work on the practice ground.

Player B has a 460cc offset square headed driver, 3 hybrids, a set of offset irons with massive perimeter weighting in 5 to sw, a chipper, and a putter that wouldn't look out of place on Star Trek. He has never had lessons, does not practice, and has a swing that looks like an octopus falling out of a tree.
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So you are player A.... who's player B?

Anyone we know?
 
chris661 said:
Says the guy with Taylormade MB in his sig :rofl:
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Not in the bag anymore, changed everything apart from the putter. Thing is with player A is if he can hit a 2 iron well enough to have it in his bag, he's either deluding himself thinking he's good enough to use it well consistently, or his short game and putting is woeful for him to be still off 10.
 
Good point boosh.
I had player A down as a talentless poser, so he must be the guy in the white troosers [and the £400 range finder that he does not know how to use]

I play with a chipper it doubles up as a 6 iron.
 
boosh said:
Not in the bag anymore, changed everything apart from the putter. Thing is with player A is if he can hit a 2 iron well enough to have it in his bag, he's either deluding himself thinking he's good enough to use it well consistently, or his short game and putting is woeful for him to be still off 10.
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So if he can hit a 2 iron well enough to have in the bag he is deluded?
 
Everyone who says "they are the same cos they have the same handicap" is deluding themselves - how is your handicap maintained, what are the calculations involved and how many rounds do you have to play to keep it current. etc etc

Under current calculations a handicap is a measure of your relatively recent best score. It has not indication of consistency in it whatsoever.

The Blade player with the 360cc head, got his 10 handicap on one day when it all clicked. It has never clicked like this before (and will probably never again) - he got there by shooting loads under his normal handicap, and it took 3 chip ins and a hole in 1 off of the rake on the side of the green.

The Super GI golfer, has been playing off 10 for 10 years, is highly consistent, and can be relied upon to play to that score or somewhere near it in match after match thereby being a key club player.


Don't believe all that simple measures tell you
 
sev112 said:
Everyone who says "they are the same cos they have the same handicap" is deluding themselves - how is your handicap maintained, what are the calculations involved and how many rounds do you have to play to keep it current. etc etc

Under current calculations a handicap is a measure of your relatively recent best score. It has not indication of consistency in it whatsoever.

The Blade player with the 360cc head, got his 10 handicap on one day when it all clicked. It has never clicked like this before (and will probably never again) - he got there by shooting loads under his normal handicap, and it took 3 chip ins and a hole in 1 off of the rake on the side of the green.

The Super GI golfer, has been playing off 10 for 10 years, is highly consistent, and can be relied upon to play to that score or somewhere near it in match after match thereby being a key club player.


Don't believe all that simple measures tell you
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Or maybe it is the other way around?
 
chris661 said:
So if he can hit a 2 iron well enough to have in the bag he is deluded?
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If he's good enough to use a 2 iron regularly well, his ball striking much to top notch. So therefore to be still off 10 either his short game and/or putting must be woeful. And if this ball striking isn't top notch he will only wasting shots by keeping it in the bag. I've got a mate who is exactly the same as this, TM TP driver, tour 3 wood, 2 iron, 3-pw in blades. At times he can hit them all well but there is more times when he doesn't. Bag looks mint though. The games hard enough, why make it harder than it needs to be.
 
it may well be - or it might not be

Nothing ever is simple

alternatively we could debate a simpler question "what is the meaning of life "?
 
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